RNG & DEAL/DRAW button timing

[shadowman]

There is no doubt that we are still in the dark ages when it comes to understanding how the world around us impacts our lives. Diet is certainly important for good heath (where did I put that bag of chips ... I wish I had learned better eating habits early in life). Many eastern cultures accept these influences without question.
Just to add a little fuel to the fire. About two weeks ago I was having a rather bad session (down over $1000). Then I was struck by a dealt RF out of the blue (I hit deal at the very best nanosecond). Since that time I have won over $8000 including two more RFs (one of those was dealt also). Coincidence? I have no idea. I have been having a poor year and some might say I was simply "due" for some good luck.
I really don't know how to "explore" this angle. We do know there a untold interactions in the human body. If you do find the "luck" protein and figure out how to get my RNA to produce it, please let me know before you get the patent, make a zillion dollars and put all the casinos out of business.

[MikeA]

I guess I'm an unemotional gambler.  My impression, whether it be Blackjack or VP has always been that the games are purely random.  Even with BJ where you can predict with some level of accuracy whether or not a game is favorable to you, those occurrences of "favorable" and "unfavorable" are random in occurrence with some shoes coming out pretty much neutral (no advantage either way).  The house advantage is gained in BJ by setting the table rules.  For instance, there is a .2% (2-tenths of one percent) advantage to the house if the table rules state that the dealer hits his soft-17's.  Add to that other table rules and the advantage on a 6-deck shoe comes out to something like .64% advantage to the house IF THE PLAYER PLAYS PERFECT STRATEGY.  Add to that a stipulation that the player isn't counting cards accurately.  Casinos are content with that table advantage because they know that a very high percentage of players do not know Basic Strategy!In Video Poker, with a completely random deal, the advantage is similarly controlled but instead of by table rules, by pay tables.  In all but a few games that we call "full pay", the house has a mathematical advantage of up to as much as 5% or even 6% (DDB 6/5 94.657% or 5+%).  I think the Casinos are pretty content with this return knowing that most players do not know Basic Strategy!Progressions in BJ or VP simply do not change those percentages.  You are just betting more with each step in the progression which gives you more chance to win more and lose more.  People who play progressions are really trying to apply mathematical probabilities to their likelihood of winning after a series of loses.  Or, if they are optimists, they think that if they are winning, betting more will likely result in them winning more.  But, while probabilities are by definition "what is likely to happen" instead of "what will happen", and because each hand in VP is an individual event not connected to anything that has happened in the past, that use of probabilities is being employed incorrectly.As for the timing of selecting "Deal" at the proper time to take advantage of the number/factor selected by an RNG, well, I have trouble thinking that anyone could watch a full-speed display of RNG results and make any kind of decision and react accurately enough to intentionally select one number generated over another!  Of course you would never see such a display, so in essence, there is no need to even speculate about it It'd make a good storyline for a Science Fiction Novel though.

[shadowman]

As for the timing of selecting "Deal" at the proper time to take advantage of the number/factor selected by an RNG, well, I have trouble thinking that anyone could watch a full-speed display of RNG results and make any kind of decision and react accurately enough to intentionally select one number generated over another!  Of course you would never see such a display, so in essence, there is no need to even speculate about it

It'd make a good storyline for a Science Fiction Novel though.

 
You know, I always wondered why Clark Kent wasn't rich. Xray vision, super human speed ... You'd think he could target that RNG with ease.
 
BTW, did you read through "hacking the casinos for a million bucks"? I think I posted a reference some time back. The participants actually did make money timing the RNG. Of course, the machines were much slower 20 years ago and they had hacked the machine code to understand exactly how the RNG operated.

[Benford's Law]

MikeA,        Actually, this sort of thing has already been done in real life.  I am going to run a slight risk of raising Webman's ire here by saying this, but a while back I introduced a link on FreeVPFree about a young gang taking this "button timing" skill to a whole new level:http://www.ethicalhacker.net/content/view/22/2/      I don't propose doing direct cheating like this;  it's impossible anymore, to boot...      My idea was cautiously exploring whether there may be much, much more subtle biological links to pressing the DEAL/DRAW button at a better time (and winning more often).  I pretty much HAVE to be careful here because I can certainly see why people can just laugh and say, "Well, what the heck, we might as well be superstitious and bring that purple rabbit's foot along *chuckle, chuckle*"      I wasn't looking for miracles or anything, just new ways to improve my game once the normal skill plateau of video poker players has been reached (ie. knowing all penalty cards in a strategy, etc.)     Shadowman - I only brought up amino acids as an offbeat possibility, nothing more.  It could very well be an irrelevant factor.      Yes, all human factors could be irrelevant here...but my gut instinct tells me something of value may actually be unearthed in this area.~Benford's Law  

[MikeA]

Well, at the expense of contradicting myself in my first post in is arena, in that I stated that I am a pretty (wrong word, no one every accused me of being pretty...maybe Normally is the right word) unemotional gambler, I must admit that I do sometimes have a very biological reaction (emotion is both biological and psychological isn't it?) in direct relation to exact split second when I press the DRAW button and the result is a Royal Flush.  It's sometimes a very embarrassing reaction at which time I find myself apologizing to those seated close to me for the damage I might have caused to their hearing apparatus.  So, with that in mind, if cause can generate the effect, possibly the sequence could be turned around and have effect generate the cause.  Is this somewhat on track with your theory?Still must I express skepticism when it comes to protein influence upon mechanical entities such as VP machines.

[Benford's Law]

Mike,         First, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned amino acids in particular.....I'm not sure yet whether *anything* in our dietary intake could make a difference....        I was wanting to explore this topic with a bit of an open mind to new possibilities, that was it.        I don't have a deep understanding of how the human brain works, but I'm sure for most gamblers hitting a royal produces a significant "dopamine rush" in the brain as a result.        This could very well beg the question:  does such a rush of dopamine help the player to press the DEAL button at a better time for a short while thereafter?         I don't know.....But it would be interesting to hear some open-minded posters comment or this or something similar.

[MikeA]

With no sarcasm intended with this post, I do wish you satisfactory conclusions to your investigation of this phenomena you are describing.  I have read a LOT of Science Fiction (it along with historical westerns) and it is the genre of  literature to which I am hopelessly addicted and I make no apologies or excuses for that addiction.  It gives me pleasure.  The possibilities fascinate me!Many of the SF novels that I've read delve deeply into paranormal topics in various forms.  Most authors have taken a stab at this.  Marrian Zimmer Bradley made a very successful run with a series called the "Darkover" novels.  I want to believe it possible, yet nothing I have seen or experienced leads me to believe that there is substance to it in the present.  Yet, contrary to popular belief, there is a universe of discoveries that can be potentially made.  Maybe some breakthrough will occur that will open the pituitary gland's functionality...or maybe it's something else that would let us exercise dormant paranormal abilities.  Again, I am not attempting to be sarcastic with this post.

[BOOPSAHOY]

Sometimes when my machine is cold I will either press the bet one button 5 times instead of the max bet or I will count to 3 before pushing draw! Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt LOL but at least I feel I am doing SOMETHING to change things up!

[shadowman]

I'm always rotating between max bet, deal/draw and bet one times 5 (or maybe bet one twice followed by max bet). It's simply a comfort zone issue. I know it makes no difference but I abhor repeating myself over and over when it's not working. OTOH, I know others who make a concerted effort to time each and every hand to the same interval. You could play music to their pace.

[shadowman]

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