And another low bankroll question and GOING FOR IT

[Eduardo]

I am sorry for asking these exact questions because I know not everyone is in this situation but let's say I am only going with $200 and I want to either win or just lose all of it (not caring to walk away with $50 if I cannot win more than I start with).I look at the long term strategy and it is very very good to know to keep playing longer and make the smart play.  But if I only care about winning big (double the money or more) or going home should I only hold low points if they give me a chance at a big win also or just always hold things like two to royal or low pair and hope for a quad instead of holding things like two pair that only can get a full house at very best?So let me explain:What I mean is am I more likely to hit a royal or 4 of a kind if I always hold 2 to royal or a pair, OR if I play perfect strategy and try to stay floating longer and wait for a three of a kind and three or four to royal before going for it? Is there a way to calculate that? If you were to always hold a pair or two to royal how much you would probably lose before hitting and then also using math strategy how much you would lose before getting royal or four?

[shadowman]

There are other strategies. The max-ER strategy that is referred to most often is only one of several possible strategies. There are also strategies that generate more royals and quads. All of these "other" strategies return less to the player over time but may have there places.
 
For example, let's say one is given $200 to go into a casino and gamble. When that player comes out he must return $200 or whatever he has left. Since any money under $200 is of no value to this gambler his GOAL must be to come out ahead or have nothing left. That is a different GOAL than maximizing your return over time. Here are some other strategies:
 
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/FAQ_S.htm
 
A little more on goals ... while I laid out a goal above that dictated another strategy, I find most of these types of arguments are weak and contrived (yes, just like mine above). There are better methods to generate more wins then playing VP. For example, walk in and play roulette. Place all money on black (or red). You will double your money almost half the time and it takes very little time to boot.
 
I believe no one should play VP unless they do so for the enjoyment first and foremost. Once that is in place then I really can't see a good argument for using anything but max-ER play, aka expert play, aka perfect play. (note: this does not rule out using progressions).
 

[MikeA]

walk in and play roulette. Place all money on black (or red). You will double your money almost half the time and it takes very little time to boot.
 
I swear to God and anything else considered Holy....I did NOT read this post before advising the SAME THING in Eduardo's other question thread! 

[Eduardo]

Ha! Roulette. That is not as much fun.  I want to play mostly for fun like I said and I like playing even on here so having a chance to win and still have fun is what I want.  Maybe I should not play so high risk though like you say. I have not played Double bonus much but if it is harder like you say then I am probably not ready.  I have played the Jacks or Better a lot though so that would let me maybe play longer. But while we are talking about it, does anyone know where I can find a Roulette trainer or information on Roulette hot and cold cycles? Roulette for Winners maybe?

[shadowman]

But while we are talking about it, does anyone know where I can find a Roulette trainer or information on Roulette hot and cold cycles? Roulette for Winners maybe?

 
If I remember correctly from the Roulette bible ... The Undeniable Truth about Roulette ... You simply ask the dealer when the chips were last washed and under which phase of the moon. I'd go into more detail but we'd have to meet personally so I can explain it to you.

[oej719]

Shadowman, you obviously are confusing yourself before you have all the facts and are shooting before you draw your gun. Which is normal for people that don't understand jibberish or pig latin. . There are certain strumming motions with your fingers and verbalization techniques that can be employed in VP and Roulette that will make you a winner like me. I have won close to $2million give or take a few $k. And unlike VP special plays do not come into play unless of course it will let me reach a goal and in that case I leave and Jives drives me back home. But only after I meet with Donald Trump and Ted Turner and Goldielocks and show them my W2G's and give them all a good spanking.ROTFLMAS.


I am the greatest. I am a gambling machine. Bling Bling.

[bigboy]

Oej, are you telling us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the undeniable truth, so help you god.

[oej719]

There you go again half cocked. Don't confuse facts with the truth.  When I tell you a lie you will get all the spin twisted with some truth with a little exaggeration. Think before you respond next time. Don't make yourself sound stupid. And yes Vettes can reach 91k. The two story ones. Just drive by any trailer park and they are all over the place. And then you got your station wagon style vettes. Bet you are jealous now.

[vpguy3]

HUH?? LOL

[Minn. Fatz]

I want to play mostly for fun like I said and I like playing even on here so having a chance to win and still have fun is what I want.

 
Not to change the subject or anything but I can think of a few more ways to stretch a short roll: play nickels instead of quarters; especially if you're playing JB or another negative-expectation game, and can stand the thought of only winning 250 for a Royal, play one coin instead of five; split your roll into four, eight or ten equal shares and take a break after each time you lose a share or double up.
 
Bottom line, the longer you play the more chances you have to hit a big hand; and the way to make your roll last longest is to play for maximum expected value on each hand.