millennials/money/adulthood

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i agree with the idea that these problems likely started at home, with how they were raised. where i disagree is that only the 'parents get what they sow'. once these entitled /dependent citizens become eligible to vote, the entire rest of the country also must pay, for what the parents have sown.

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when it comes to matters of money, i am not easily confused. and, i did not make a specific proposal about changing the current system of voting eligibility. this is just another feeble attempt on your part to imply something that is not true. you enjoy conflict.

federal income tax is much different than paying social security and medicare tax. federal income taxes benefit the country as a whole, while the other taxes are likely to benefit the same person who is paying the tax.

under the current system of federal income tax, someone who may never have paid federal income taxes, still have the same voting rights as those who must foot the bill. what happens when the percentage of non federal tax payers is greater than those who pay the taxes? it could be an incentive for those who are reliant on others, to simply confiscate money from those who have it.

[billryan]

Some people see people trapped in poverty and try to help them. Others see the same people and question their rights to vote. MAGA.

[billryan]

Are you really worried the poor and powerless are going to confiscate the wealth of the rich and powerful?

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according to a nyt article dated 11/3/18, "red counties, which are overwhelmingly republican, tend to report higher charitable contributions, than democratic dominated blue counties".

according to PHILANTHROPY ROUNDTABLE;
-americans donate 7 times as much as continental europe,per capita
-in the usa, the top 1% of wealth holders give one third of all given to charities
-the top 1.4% of wealth holders give 86% of all donations, at death
-top states for giving as a percentage of adjusted gross income; UT, MISS, AL, TENN, GA, SC,ID, OK, ARK, NC
-bottom states for giving (same perameters); HI, WI,, ND, CONN, MASS, RI, NJ, VT, ME, NH

notice a pattern, liberals talk a good game when taking care of the poor, but do not give their own money, they like to spend other people's money.

where is the proof that all people who are poor, are 'trapped' in poverty. they may just be 'unwillingly' to work.

another case of you hijacking a thread, diverting the topic being discussed and not addressing facts that dispute your claims. FAKE NEWS.

[billryan]

What are you discussing exactly? You have now questioned whether people who don't pay federal income tax should be allowed to vote at least twice?

"i support the one person=one vote concept, but sometimes i wonder. as the percentage of tax filers who actually pay any federal tax, has fallen to about 47% of those filing taxes, more and more of those who pay nothing, have they same vote, as those who must pay for those laws."

"once these entitled /dependent citizens become eligible to vote, the entire rest of the country also must pay, for what the parents have sown."

If some millennial came on here and bitched about what a screwed up world his parents left them, I'd tell them the same thing.

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here you go again, you bring up a dispute, i address it and you simply move to another subject to argue.

you may be confusing me with someone who values your opinion. you have managed to destroy more threads than anyone else who comments.

you bore me, go away.

[billryan]

Run away, little boy. Maybe you should find a forum where only people who agree with you can post. Let me know. I'd suggest a few sites but as you said, you don't value my opinion. Why do you keep harping on poor people being able to vote, unless you'd like to change it?

[olds442jetaway]

Just google Socialism failure France....You will find unemployment rates over 10% and for young people it has been as high as 25% the French president has the lowest approval rating in history at 14% right wing groups are rising at a rapid rate

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many young people are attracted to socialism, although i am guessing they are not aware of what socialism means. and, why would they not be attracted to it, when all they hear about, are the so called good parts. many of the teaching establishment believe in some form of socialism, so why wouldn't we expect them to teach/preach it to their vulnerable students. this is what students hear for their first 18-22 years.

socialism is about the government controlling your lives. they promise everyone will be taken care of, everyone will be treated the same. there will be no failures. this is what makes it sound attractive. in other words, everyone receives a 'participation' award. this is the world that millennial's were raised in. they were not taught about hard work and how that can breed success. many have never held a job, until leaving college. even after leaving college, they are still dependent on mom/dad.

many young people witnessed their parents fail, when they great recession hit. they were told it was entirely the fault of corporate america. they were not told that many failures were the direct result of bad choices that people made, such as over spending, over borrowing and under saving.

what groups did not suffer, the very groups that are entirely or largely dependent on the government. this covers a wide swath, groups that directly receive money from the government, like government employees or groups that are heavily subsided like health care and universities. there was little in the way of suffering in these groups.

why did the private sector employee suffer more than government employee. the private sector company cannot mandate taxes on everyone to benefit them, they cannot just print money or spend money they do not have, deficit spending, something the government continues to do.

so, if you are a young person and only been taught how wonderful socialism is, how evil corporate america is, seen your parents lives changed as a result of the great recession, never held a job, afraid of failure, have lots of school debt (bad choices), graduated with a expensive non marketable degree, witnessed how government/government dependent jobs have little risk, what lesson would you learn....make every job a government job. this is how you get socialism.