Who here Honestly knows people who win most of the

[olds442jetaway]

This falls under the woulda shoulda coulda scenario. For 2016, I believe I was ahead about 140 of 150 sessions at least a hundred bucks. Had I quit at that number, yes I would have been ahead for last year and probably all of my prior years. Unfortunately, that did not happen and I ended up with a very substantial loss cash wise, but not percentage wise. Even the two stupendous pot shot jackpots in early August for 18k each in the same 24 hour period could not overcome the stupidity of continuing to play until I was too either too tired to play more or had to go home for family commitments. Still working on the same issue for 2017. By the way, at least 20 of the sessions last year had up periods of between 1k and 4k. That just goes to show how fast the money goes. When you hit a really cold cycle on a dollar machine 2k can vanish in less than 2 hours. To top it off, the most money I have lost in the shortest amount of time has been on 99.54 dollar job machines when neither quads or full houses were hitting. If I remember, 2k vanished in about an hour and forty five minutes. Edited to add.....I had at least a dozen sessions where I was up at least 500 bucks in less than a half hour. The hardest thing to do is quit playing when you hit early on in a session and you are there for an overnight or longer. Anyone who can do that my hat is off to them.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=TedLark]Phil I bring my standard bankroll of $1,000.00.[/quote]I assume your post was a joke.  If not, I would like to offer an observation. Your proposed strategy is similar to what I was attempting to do with CS.  Running to the door when you are ahead is similar to dropping back to single coin after a max coin win.  This scenario repeated each time you put in your next $20.  Despite the critics,  it did work for a time.  The problem with this strategy was it took the risk reward part of the game away.   It had the effect of creating an essentially neutral game.  You never lost much money, but you never won much either.  Most of my big wins during that time, were from lucky pot shots and anyone can do that.People play video poker because they want to win and the bigger the win the more enjoyment is gained.  Walking away when you are ahead sounds good.  In reality, it caps your wins as much as it caps your loses. 

[Tedlark]

Phil to me there is no comparison between what I do (leaving after hitting a satisfying amount) and you following your CS (dropping to single coin play).

The reason I say this is because I quit play entirely and don't let greed take control of my play.

When I mentioned about playing in the restaurant it was most likely play that I won't repeat. Illinois now allows certain establishments to have up to 5 video gaming machines on premises but there are some drawbacks. First, the maximum single award is capped at $500.00 and second, the returns are lower than I would care to play with on a regular basis. When I hit that $500.00 jackpot I cashed out soon after hitting it because Iwas satisfied and happy. I could have easily dumped a couple hundred back into the machine in hopes of hitting again but I would rather have not tempted fate.

There have been many times over the years where I have enjoyed short but profitable sessions and these came about because I didn't let greed take control of me. Have there been times when I dumped the grand back that I won after hitting a royal or AWAK? Yes, and it took hitting another at the buzzer to save my bacon. I have refined my play over the years to be happy with winning an amount I was comfortable with and not just dumping it all back in hopes of hitting more. I'm not a fan of throwing say, $500.00 of my winnings at a machine hoping to hit for $1,000.00. I would just rather stop unless the machine has been really good to me during that session.

There have been times over the years when friends have come in from out of state and they've wanted to go to a local casino and we'd go. I've taken many naps out in my car after hitting a nice jackpot because I was content and happy with those winnings.

The main reason why I have been more successful playing video poker over the last 10 years is because I have become much more disciplined as a player. This includes being disciplined at trying to play perfect strategy as well as being better disciplined with being happy about quitting play when up an amount I am comfortable with. I can do a heck of a lot with an extra $500.00 or $1,000.00 but there isn't too much I can do with lint.

[FloridaPhil]

Ted.  I appreciate your discipline.  You are obviously an experienced player and someone who I respect on this forum.  However, I fail to see how stopping play at a certain point can have any effect on your long term results.  This sounds good in theory, but in actual practice you may be fooling yourself.  If you take $1,000 into the casino and never get ahead, you lose it all no matter how much discipline you may have.  Not feeding your wins back into the machine may make you feel good until you return, but I don't see it guaranteeing a long term win.Stopping play at 3 PM this afternoon, 2 AM tomorrow morning or 6 PM next Thursday has no affect on your long term results.  If I'm wrong about this, please correct me.  If you win most of the time, I believe it's because you are"Lucky Larry" not because you quit when you are ahead. 

[billryan]

I call it a day when in NSUD, I hit my second 5OAK or higher, or when I have played 1,000 hands.
In BP, after my fourth 4OAK or 1,000 hands.
Whenever I hit a Royal Flush, I just play out the coins left in the machines.
It's just a psychological move .
I once won $1,000 on a quarter Wheel of Fortune and lost it all the same day. Bothered the hell out of me.
While I consider all my life to be one long session,you might as well take your breaks at self defined points.

[ukaserex]

I only know one guy, and I barely know him. His name is Clay, and he's just a guy I continue to run into when I play at The Palace Casino in Biloxi.

I've known him now for about 2 years. He made his money before the crash, has really deep pockets and it seems like they just keep getting deeper, as every time I see him, the slot hosts are giving him a pale blue t-shirt and a w-2g.

He plays $1VP mostly DDB, and occasionally one of those metered payout slot machines that "must" pay out at certain levels - but can also pay out before. For example, if it is a $500 machine, he'll only play it if it's at 497 or higher.

I can't say definitively he "always wins" - because nobody always wins. But, from where I sit, it "seems" as if he wins more than loses. A lot more.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billryan]It's just a psychological move.[/quote]I like to walk out ahead too.  It takes discipline, but is it a long term winning strategy on its own?  I don't think so unless you only hit one jackpot in your life and never go back.  Winning VP strategy is playing positive games computer perfectly with an adequate bankroll.  In time this will make you a winner.  If you are going to play negative VP games or you make errors or you run out of money or you don't play long enough, leaving when you are ahead won't guarantee to make you a long term winner regardless of your discipline.

[billryan]

[quote=billryan]It's just a psychological move.I like to walk out ahead too.  It takes discipline, but is it a long term winning strategy on its own?  I don't think so unless you only hit one jackpot in your life and never go back.  Winning VP strategy is playing positive games computer perfectly with an adequate bankroll.  In time this will make you a winner.  If you are going to play negative VP games or you make errors or you run out of money or you don't play long enough, leaving when you are ahead won't guarantee to make you a long term winner regardless of your discipline.









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Man goes to Doctor and sez " Doc, it hurts when I do this. Doc says- Dont do that.
I don't play negative games.
I also don't think leaving when I do effects my long-term expectations. It does, however, make me feel good. Nothing is more crushing than winning a big amount and giving it back the same day, in my observations.

[pokerpokerpoker]

"I don't play negative games"

BP is negative, isn't it? 99.2% or somesuch?

[FloridaPhil]

[quote]If you are going to play negative VP games or you make errors or you run
out of money or you don't play long enough, leaving when you are ahead
won't guarantee to make you a long term winner regardless of your
discipline.[/quote]I play negative games because they are all I have to play.  I'm a human being not a computer.  My brain limits my bankroll, which limits my opportunities.  I won't live forever, so those royals that will make me profitable may not show up.  I can have all the discipline in the world and I most likely won't make money long term playing video poker.  In order to profit long term from this game you need to have a level of skill, opportunity and discipline that very few people possess.  There was only one perfect person in the world and from what I read he didn't play video poker.