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[QUOTE=ko king] I give up.
Probably a good idea. [/QUOTE]
No doubt, but probably not for the reasons you have in mind.
Someone please explain
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FAA
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We could analyze "Royal Potential" hands till the cows come home! It's an interesting term.
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ko king
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We could analyze "Royal Potential" hands till the cows come home! It's an interesting term.
Yes, but almost every royal I ever hit started out as a potential flush. If I get more potential flushes it makes sense that more would end up becoming a royal flush. I kid you not, the casino I'm talking about had a billboard advertising the royal flush and they deliver that hand. There's no doubt tendencies could be programmed, illegal or not who's going to complain about hitting more royals? These events aren't impossible or even hard to see, they're right in front of you. Like I said in an earlier post I've only played probably about a fifth of hands there than I've played at other casinos yet I've hit 5 or 6 dealt royals there and I have no idea how many other royals I've hit there. In 20 years and millions of hands at the other casinos I never hit a dealt royal flush, I hit one when I discarded all five cards once.
Yes, but almost every royal I ever hit started out as a potential flush. If I get more potential flushes it makes sense that more would end up becoming a royal flush. I kid you not, the casino I'm talking about had a billboard advertising the royal flush and they deliver that hand. There's no doubt tendencies could be programmed, illegal or not who's going to complain about hitting more royals? These events aren't impossible or even hard to see, they're right in front of you. Like I said in an earlier post I've only played probably about a fifth of hands there than I've played at other casinos yet I've hit 5 or 6 dealt royals there and I have no idea how many other royals I've hit there. In 20 years and millions of hands at the other casinos I never hit a dealt royal flush, I hit one when I discarded all five cards once.
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Vman96
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[QUOTE=FAA] We could analyze "Royal Potential" hands till the cows come home! It's an interesting term.
Yes, but almost every royal I ever hit started out as a potential flush. [/QUOTE]
So are you trying to say that "most of your royals" began as either 4 suited cards with 3 to a royal, or a dealt flush with four to a Royal?
On "fair, random, machines" the probability of getting a dealt flush with 4 to a Royal inside it is simply:
8/47 = 17.02% of all 4 to a Royal deals
A four flush with 3 to a Royal inside relative to all 3 to a Royal Deals is:
8*39*2/47/46 = 28.86% of all 3 to a Royal Deals
Looking at the latter result for an example. For the sake of argument, let's just say you have converted 20 3-to a Royal Draws with exactly half of them being 4 flushes where you ended up discarding the fourth suited card to go for the Royal, the probability of this happening on a "fair, random machine" is about 3.73%.
The story about the dealt royals being only at the one casino is also disturbing, but that still could be an odd random occurrence. It's basically as likely as a 1 in 5 event occurring 5 or 6 times in a row. 5 times in a row would be 1 in 3125 and 6 in a row would be 1 in 15,625. What would also worry me if you have more royals total at the place with only 20% of the total hands, which would push the unlikeliness even higher.
The problem is everything you are describing (here and in other threads) is so unlikely to occur from a "fair game", I would be hesitant to keep playing if these were my own results. Same goes with olds442jetaway's results.
Yes, but almost every royal I ever hit started out as a potential flush. [/QUOTE]
So are you trying to say that "most of your royals" began as either 4 suited cards with 3 to a royal, or a dealt flush with four to a Royal?
On "fair, random, machines" the probability of getting a dealt flush with 4 to a Royal inside it is simply:
8/47 = 17.02% of all 4 to a Royal deals
A four flush with 3 to a Royal inside relative to all 3 to a Royal Deals is:
8*39*2/47/46 = 28.86% of all 3 to a Royal Deals
Looking at the latter result for an example. For the sake of argument, let's just say you have converted 20 3-to a Royal Draws with exactly half of them being 4 flushes where you ended up discarding the fourth suited card to go for the Royal, the probability of this happening on a "fair, random machine" is about 3.73%.
The story about the dealt royals being only at the one casino is also disturbing, but that still could be an odd random occurrence. It's basically as likely as a 1 in 5 event occurring 5 or 6 times in a row. 5 times in a row would be 1 in 3125 and 6 in a row would be 1 in 15,625. What would also worry me if you have more royals total at the place with only 20% of the total hands, which would push the unlikeliness even higher.
The problem is everything you are describing (here and in other threads) is so unlikely to occur from a "fair game", I would be hesitant to keep playing if these were my own results. Same goes with olds442jetaway's results.
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ko king
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[QUOTE=ko king] [QUOTE=FAA] We could analyze "Royal Potential" hands till the cows come home! It's an interesting term.
Yes, but almost every royal I ever hit started out as a potential flush. [/QUOTE]
So are you trying to say that "most of your royals" began as either 4 suited cards with 3 to a royal, or a dealt flush with four to a Royal?
On "fair, random, machines" the probability of getting a dealt flush with 4 to a Royal inside it is simply:
8/47 = 17.02% of all 4 to a Royal deals
A four flush with 3 to a Royal inside relative to all 3 to a Royal Deals is:
8*39*2/47/46 = 28.86% of all 3 to a Royal Deals
Looking at the latter result for an example. For the sake of argument, let's just say you have converted 20 3-to a Royal Draws with exactly half of them being 4 flushes where you ended up discarding the fourth suited card to go for the Royal, the probability of this happening on a "fair, random machine" is about 3.73%.
The story about the dealt royals being only at the one casino is also disturbing, but that still could be an odd random occurrence. It's basically as likely as a 1 in 5 event occurring 5 or 6 times in a row. 5 times in a row would be 1 in 3125 and 6 in a row would be 1 in 15,625. What would also worry me if you have more royals total at the place with only 20% of the total hands, which would push the unlikeliness even higher.
The problem is everything you are describing (here and in other threads) is so unlikely to occur from a "fair game", I would be hesitant to keep playing if these were my own results. Same goes with olds442jetaway's results.[/QUOTE]
Without question the majority of my royals began as four suited cards off the deal such as suited A/K/Q/10, I've had a few where I needed two cards to complete the royal. I know this site says a dealt royal should occur every 1 every 650K hands on average, I've had either 5 or 6 there. One of the dealt royals was very odd, I sat down at a machine and put a $100 bill in pushed the $2 denomination and then hit max play, the machine locked up and the screen went black and said "checking memory pattern". I waited a few minutes, even tried to cash out, pushed the service button and after a few more minutes the royal popped up. I thought it was a machine malfunction but it turns out it wasn't and I was paid my $8K jackpot. I don't have the slightest idea how many royals I have seen hit at that casino but it is a lot. Regular players at that casino will all say the same thing, they hit more royals at that casino than anywhere else. Like I said hitting a royal is nothing to complain about, but they are far more common at that casino than any other casino I have ever spent time playing at, no question, no doubt. You just get more shots at hitting them there, I can't say how or why, but they do draw a lot a vp players now. I used to play a little $5 denomination vp at Harrah's but I never hit a royal there, only saw one other person hit one there. I have probably seen 10-15 $20k royals hit at that casino in a little over 4 years. I hit a royal there last week, was dealt A/K/J/10 of hearts and got the Q of hearts on the draw. I also noticed they dropped the pay tables on a few vp machines last week, not good news.
Yes, but almost every royal I ever hit started out as a potential flush. [/QUOTE]
So are you trying to say that "most of your royals" began as either 4 suited cards with 3 to a royal, or a dealt flush with four to a Royal?
On "fair, random, machines" the probability of getting a dealt flush with 4 to a Royal inside it is simply:
8/47 = 17.02% of all 4 to a Royal deals
A four flush with 3 to a Royal inside relative to all 3 to a Royal Deals is:
8*39*2/47/46 = 28.86% of all 3 to a Royal Deals
Looking at the latter result for an example. For the sake of argument, let's just say you have converted 20 3-to a Royal Draws with exactly half of them being 4 flushes where you ended up discarding the fourth suited card to go for the Royal, the probability of this happening on a "fair, random machine" is about 3.73%.
The story about the dealt royals being only at the one casino is also disturbing, but that still could be an odd random occurrence. It's basically as likely as a 1 in 5 event occurring 5 or 6 times in a row. 5 times in a row would be 1 in 3125 and 6 in a row would be 1 in 15,625. What would also worry me if you have more royals total at the place with only 20% of the total hands, which would push the unlikeliness even higher.
The problem is everything you are describing (here and in other threads) is so unlikely to occur from a "fair game", I would be hesitant to keep playing if these were my own results. Same goes with olds442jetaway's results.[/QUOTE]
Without question the majority of my royals began as four suited cards off the deal such as suited A/K/Q/10, I've had a few where I needed two cards to complete the royal. I know this site says a dealt royal should occur every 1 every 650K hands on average, I've had either 5 or 6 there. One of the dealt royals was very odd, I sat down at a machine and put a $100 bill in pushed the $2 denomination and then hit max play, the machine locked up and the screen went black and said "checking memory pattern". I waited a few minutes, even tried to cash out, pushed the service button and after a few more minutes the royal popped up. I thought it was a machine malfunction but it turns out it wasn't and I was paid my $8K jackpot. I don't have the slightest idea how many royals I have seen hit at that casino but it is a lot. Regular players at that casino will all say the same thing, they hit more royals at that casino than anywhere else. Like I said hitting a royal is nothing to complain about, but they are far more common at that casino than any other casino I have ever spent time playing at, no question, no doubt. You just get more shots at hitting them there, I can't say how or why, but they do draw a lot a vp players now. I used to play a little $5 denomination vp at Harrah's but I never hit a royal there, only saw one other person hit one there. I have probably seen 10-15 $20k royals hit at that casino in a little over 4 years. I hit a royal there last week, was dealt A/K/J/10 of hearts and got the Q of hearts on the draw. I also noticed they dropped the pay tables on a few vp machines last week, not good news.
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DaBurglar
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the bottom line is this bottom line................_____________"Bottom"_____________________________gigglesnortNo seriously folks, we.......WE......."WE"....all concur that video poker is indeed DIFFERENT in the various markets/citiies/regions etc in which it exists, and that these differences are not just due to differences in the rules and regulations. Video Poker Machines behave differently (whether slightly or significantly is up for debate) amongst the various casinos in all the different locations across North America.As I have maintained since day one of posting here, the AC video poker machines behave in a drastically different manner than they do in Vegas or other Nevada locales. Ko King merely extends this premise out and beyond many other different locations. End of story.......glad that we.....We......"WE"....can agree on that!
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ko king
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the bottom line is this bottom line................_____________"Bottom"_____________________________gigglesnortNo seriously folks, we.......WE......."WE"....all concur that video poker is indeed DIFFERENT in the various markets/citiies/regions etc in which it exists, and that these differences are not just due to differences in the rules and regulations. Video Poker Machines behave differently (whether slightly or significantly is up for debate) amongst the various casinos in all the different locations across North America.As I have maintained since day one of posting here, the AC video poker machines behave in a drastically different manner than they do in Vegas or other Nevada locales.  Ko King merely extends this premise out and beyond many other different locations. End of story.......glad that we.....We......"WE"....can agree on that!
There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that all vp is not the same. We've had casinos in this area for about 23 years now and myself along with a few other frequent players saw it take place right before our very eyes. SOOOO many players either quit completely while others like myself adjusted the way we play. I travel a lot so I get the opportunity to play at many different locations, it's not all the same. We have 13 casinos left in these parts, many make my list of what I consider a small market casinos. One thing I've learned is that you can't go into a small market casino and expect big things to happen, I tried over and over again, it just doesn't happen. You can hit the occasional hand pay but the big nights just don't happen. The days of me walking into a casino with $2,500 and playing $2 DDB until I get tired and having the chance of walking out with $15-20K are long gone. For years it was fairly common to walk out of the casino with 3-5 W-2G's, the most I ever had in a night was 7, now days I'm lucky to get one every once in a while.
There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that all vp is not the same. We've had casinos in this area for about 23 years now and myself along with a few other frequent players saw it take place right before our very eyes. SOOOO many players either quit completely while others like myself adjusted the way we play. I travel a lot so I get the opportunity to play at many different locations, it's not all the same. We have 13 casinos left in these parts, many make my list of what I consider a small market casinos. One thing I've learned is that you can't go into a small market casino and expect big things to happen, I tried over and over again, it just doesn't happen. You can hit the occasional hand pay but the big nights just don't happen. The days of me walking into a casino with $2,500 and playing $2 DDB until I get tired and having the chance of walking out with $15-20K are long gone. For years it was fairly common to walk out of the casino with 3-5 W-2G's, the most I ever had in a night was 7, now days I'm lucky to get one every once in a while.
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onemoretry
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I know this site says a dealt royal should occur every 1 every 650K hands on average,
It's not just "this site". The mathematical probability is what it is, i.e., 1 in 649,740.
It's not just "this site". The mathematical probability is what it is, i.e., 1 in 649,740.
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Tedlark
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DaBurglar I do not concur with your post so WE all do not concur. I am reasonably certain that I am not alone here either.
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ko king
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[QUOTE=ko king] I know this site says a dealt royal should occur every 1 every 650K hands on average,
It's not just "this site". The mathematical probability is what it is, i.e., 1 in 649,740. [/QUOTE]
Thanks for clearing that up.
It's not just "this site". The mathematical probability is what it is, i.e., 1 in 649,740. [/QUOTE]
Thanks for clearing that up.
