Turning $20 into $1,000 Again...

[JIMDUECE`SWILD]

Nice Hit ! Congratulations.

[olds442jetaway]

Phil, since I am playing a lot of single coin this year, I am going to start tracking percentage wise deuces quad hits on single coin vs more than 1 coin bet. I already know what the answer will be based on playing millions of hands over the years, but I will try and keep pretty accurate notes and post sometime later in the year. My gut feeling tells me that they will come in at about 4,000 hands or so on single coin and well over 10,000 hands on max coin, but we'll see. No use my keeping records the same way on the Royals, since for me, the max coin ones will be 0 or next to 0 and even the single coin ones still well over the 45k or so....

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=wildman49]Most people would be on cloud 9 if only to lose 2% per year most are much farther in the hole. Keep taking them down Phil![/quote] I'm not trying to take anyone down.  I'm trying to show recreational players that there is another way to win playing video poker other than trying to use a professional strategy on a negative expectation game.  The experts being what they are will probably never understand how a single quarter recreational player could make this work.  For those doubters out there, the Win Gallery Page on my website currently has $14,500 dollars worth of documented jackpots and I just started posting pictures last year.  All of these jackpots were made using the Cheap Strategy with a maximum $300 daily bankroll starting with single coin quarters. 

[notes1]

i do not like playing wild card games, so i will not likely be using this system. i just got back from one of my 13 hour sessions at cherokee. lost as usual. my losses are way down from last year, simply because i am going less. but, in regards to the discussion here, i saw something that supports some of the comments. i was playing a table top machine, so you can really see what is happening to those around you. next to me is this couple having a really good time playing one machine. the guy is whooping it up, while the wife plays. not obnoxious, just having fun. i played next to them for about 10 minutes and in that time, i saw them hit 3 four of a kinds. what were they playing, JOB at 2 coins.

[FloridaPhil]

I have realized that my personal observations are somewhat skewed on this matter as I play single coin most of the time.  That said, it seems like I have a much harder time getting a max coin dollar quad deuce as opposed to one at single coin $5.   I could see how this would benefit the casino as playing single coin is usually something a rookie would do then immediately switch to max coins and give the money back.  Or maybe it's my human brain trying to explain the unexplainable again?Playing short coin is a proven way to limit losses when playing negative expectation games.  The Cheap Strategy takes advantage of this fact while allowing the real possibility of a max coin jackpot.  It was created for recreational players who want to make an already exciting game even more exciting and more affordable at the same time.  Winning was not considered, but as it turns out became an unintended consequence. If you're a Bob Dancer clone and only play 100% games computer perfect with an unlimited bankroll, don't waste your time with this strategy.  If you're like me, it will most definitely save you money and may even make you a small winner. 

[DougJ]

The machine does not know you are playing one coin, two coins, or max bet.

It's your money, play however you choose to play. But, the likelihood of a "big hit", such as four deuces, is the same whether you are betting one or five.

[olds442jetaway]

Made a quick trip up to Mohegan late last night and back for breakfast and Easter services with the family in the early morning. I played the lone nickel Multi-Strike machine using the single coin strategy. The machine just took, took, took, for hours then got really hot for about a dozen hands. This is what Phil is talking about. After hitting 4 times my bet or more playing Double Bonus Deuces Wild, I went to max bet which is 10 instead of 5 on this machine. This is not a cheap bet at 2 bucks a pop, but it is only one hand if it doesn't work. Anyway, in those dozen or so hands most of which were at max bet, I was lucky enough to hit deuces quads on level 2 and 5 4's on the top line for 8x the usual one line payout. Right after that, the machine went back into its ice cycle, so I packed it in quite happy with the outcome.

     Edited to add the returns on those 2 hands and the paytable. 4,000 nickels on the Deuces quads 200x10x2 and 4,000 nickels on the 5 4's 50x10x8 .

[FloridaPhil]

Nice!  These runs in deuces wild are a normal part of the game and contrary to what we have been told can be used to your advantage.  They're not all profitable, but if you keep your normal bet low and your "killer" bet high you can overcome negative odds.  Not enough to quit your day job, but enough to make you smile instead of walking around all day griping because you think the machines are rigged....

[olds442jetaway]

Just a note for the folks who might try single coin play on job or similar games. I know Phil knows this already. In the normal RNG shuffle, it is much harder for all of the deuces to disappear and not come out at all for an extended time than it is for the normal rng shuffle to keep quads from hitting. I have gone as much as 7 hours on job without hiting any quads. No matter what deuces wild game I have tried, they all seem to have those little super hot cycles for a short time period at some point in the session. You may not hit quad deuces, but lots of other pretty good hits. If those are hit at max bet, it can make up most of your losses for the day on a super ice cold day in just a matter of a minute or so.

[FAA]

the folks who try single coin play on job. In the normal RNG shuffle, it is much harder
for all of the deuces to disappear and not come out at all for an
extended time than it is for the normal rng shuffle to keep quads from
hitting. I have gone as much as 7 hours on JOB without hitting any quads.I don't know whether to admire your persistence or send a straightjacket. JOB became a job. I had a seventy plus min stretch, two to five coin, without a quad on 9/6 JOB. Fit to be tied after $70 loss. Sessions like this are tough to figure out.