Recreational W2G Win #2 with Max Quarter CS

[alpax]

Congratulations Alpax! As a low roller Jobber, yours is a foreign language of course.

Thanks FAA. The most simple way to put it is that I do not start from single quarter. I start from max quarter and move to max dollar. When the balance is high enough, I start from max dollar to max 5 dollar. The strategy only allows for just a few max 5 dollar tries.

   Nice win alpax, much better than a lump of coal in your hopper.

Thanks Ted! Actually it is indeed one of the best gifts I got for myself in a while.

Nice Al Nice, I love CS and don't care about the naysayers I have a whole lot more bank roll playing it vs. flat betting. Like you said about bonus DW we have it but at low denominations like nickel and quarter nothing higher.   

Much appreciated wildman49. I no longer flat bet unless there is only one denomination with the best paytable, I explore variable bets at places where the good paytables are available in multiple denomination. I played at a place that has the same paytables from 5 cents all the way to 5 dollars. I got to explore tweaking the CS, and this is one of the ways I did it. I do not go to the casino every week like FP does, so I can afford to play starting with max quarter bets.

However, max 5 dollar hits might not be appealing to states where gambling wins are not deductible by losses.

Bonus DW is rare, I only found it in 2 or 3 places so far. I think some people who do not like holding inside straights on regular DW will like this game.

[olds442jetaway]

Hi Alpax and congrats again. I will have to check out something you pointed out below regarding DBDW paytables. The last time I looked which was just last week, the Multi-Strike games have a built in booby trap. They only pay the correct amount for the Royal if you play all 4 lines with a bet of 5 or more on each line. Also on the DBDW paytable, the machines I looked at were 20/9/4/3/2/1/1 and not 25. On the next trip, I will have to spend some time scouting all of the Multi machines to get the " final answer ". I am still reeling from a Royal the Mrs. got earlier this year on the top line of the Multi-Strike machine. She was playing bet one per line on all 4 lines so instead of winning 32,000 nickels for 5 in x 8 x 800, she got 250x1x8 or 2,000 nickels. I can't complain though because for the year, she had a much smaller loss than I did by far and that is on machines with in general poor paytables as well.

[alpax]

olds, with regards to the Double Bonus Deuces Wild I referenced, I found the information on the vpFREE website. I provided the direct link about the information on the game. Mohegan Sun is the second biggest casino in the country and I am sure the page is updated and has credibility though I have never stepped foot there.

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/mohegan-s ... euces-wild

$1              Â 5 Play     MS     Up     Earth casino - opposite the high-limit Slot Area

It is rather expensive to play a 5 play multistrike, so it is important to make sure the number of plays is set to 1 and the number of levels is set to 1. Normally multistrike requires 4 levels of play and 20 credits a round. To accidentally hit the MAX button will make it $100 a play!

On this website I was able to change it to 1 line and 1 play for 5 credits. But I am not sure about the multiline edition. The swings are huge as you may know.

The paytable edition you are referring to are for nickels, and will return 97.68% with optimal play.

Here is a link of the various DBDW paytables

http://www.vpfree2.com/video-poker/pay- ... euces-wild

If you are looking to find ways to play VP for cheap, DBDW could be counter intuitive! In the long run its a great game if one has the bankroll.

Edited: I just read this part

[QUOTE]They only pay the correct amount for the Royal if you play all 4 lines with a bet of 5 or more on each line.[/QUOTE]

It may not be a feasible option to non professionals like us Sorry, I did not want to bring your hopes up like that. I did not know about that requirement on MultiStrike.

[olds442jetaway]

Thanks Alpax. If all is well tomorrow evening at home, I will take a trip up with the Mrs. and save a little money by doing a mini scouting mission, dinner, etc. We both got smoked Sunday night after our good trip on the 23rd. Its unusual for both of us to get smoked at the same time, but unfortunately, that is the nature of vp. I played well over 5k hands on single line Deuces Wild and never had a chance at deuces quads. Most of my 2 deuces hands ended up with money back only. The Commodores show was really good though and we had a nice dinner and coffee later with friends. If anyone isn't counting calories until the new year, try one of my favorites. Vanilla milk shake with a shot of expresso in it. Hoping against hope for another W-2G before the new year, but I'm not going to chase it and will stick to CS.

[alpax]

Sorry to hear about the bad night, hope you and the Mrs enjoy your next trip before the new year. Mohegan Sun is quite a big place to do scouting, hopefully you will find something good. I see that $1 PKM is still there on the inventory list.

The 1-25 coin machines, the only time you would have to worry about W2G is if you hit quad deuces or natural royal on the 25 coin bet. You do not make too many highest end bets with CS. W2G or no W2G, hope the results are better this time.

[olds442jetaway]

     I have my own version of CS that can and does trigger a W-2G. In fact, it triggered the only two I got for the entire year. If I have a good bankroll and am starting out with one quarter, on a hit of 4 or more, my next bet will in fact be five. If on hits of 4 or more and going up to a bet of 5 and not hitting anything for 4 or 5 trials, the next time I hit 4 or more at bet one, my following bet will be 6. Following the same rules, on 4 or 5 failures at bet 6, on a hit at bet 1 of 4 or more, my next bet will be 7 and so forth. That way, I can combine my Martingale clone with Phil's CS method. Although 2015 was another big time loser, it was due mainly to a lack of Royals, not quad deuces. I have hit them just about as they should around every 5k hands or so as an average for the year. I had some nice hits betting quarters on quad deuces this year playing this way. My best were on the airport deuces game with bets of 8,14,16,22, and 40 on a nickel game I played on the 23rd. The two Royals I did get this year that resulted in the W-2Gs. were at bet 6 and bet 7 and were only 2 days apart just recently. The rest of the year was W-2Gless. That extra two percent or so penalty for no Royals makes an expected yearly loss a brutal one. Combine that with playing some multi line or risky games and not hitting premium hands on some games with a poor paytable and just some plain bad luck and you end up with a 95 percent return for the year. If I remember, that is just about where KO fell too.

[alpax]

Simple system to understand, as you mentioned, a 6 credit royal will produce a W2G on the dot. Sorry to hear about another losing year, especially given what happened to 2014. For quad deuces, you will not need to worry about a W2G unless you reach 24 credit bets. Nickels is probably the safe way to avoid W2G, but will come at reduced paytables most often.

Phil does deserve credit, I adapted CS and potshotting when playing DW or Bonus DW. It did not start well, but I've been having some good luck with Phil's approach during the 2nd half of the year. People are quick to write off the CS because of the shorted royal, my adjustment is exactly described in the original post, although it will start from 5 quarters to avoid the shorted royal, to 20 quarters, to a whopping 100 quarters (at Mohegan Sun, you would have to cash out and go to the dollar denom and do 5 and 20 credits respectively).

5 percent loss is almost equal to a good slot machine, still very brutal, I can take those losses for 2 or 3 years, but it really eats up your financial well being. I hope the royals catch up to you quickly. I've played about 98% return for my main game Jacks or Better, Deuces Wild Phil's style has been my saving grace this year for me, I got to see 6 quad deuces including one that counts for more than a royal (pure luck potshot). I did not see any at all last year.

[olds442jetaway]

Believe it or not Alpax, I can sit at the same machine if I want to. The machines I play the Airport Deuces on also have a fifty cent and dollar option. If for some reason I progress up to 25 credits on quarters, I can switch the game to fifty cents and continue the progression at bet 13 on the fifty cent game and if I had a huge bankroll, after reaching bet 25 at the fifty cent level, I could still switch to dollars and start with bet 13 since all denominations allow you to bet up to 25 units. You need a huge bankroll to do this and I only tried it once and bailed out before I got even on a nice hit on dollars. It just got too scary and expensive for my taste.
     I like using the same method which is a clone of CS on the nickel machines which are on the other side of the quarter bank. They allow bets up to 40 nickels. It did feel good on the 23rd to hit those deuces at bet 40 on the nickel game. That one hit was good for 400 bucks and we were already way ahead that evening. Unfortunately, it is gone already which usually happens after a really good outing. Everyone have a safe, happy, and healthy new year. We are making one last trip up tonight late to close out 2015. Betting peanuts though. Have to hand out a few little things to our favorite employees and meet friends for coffee etc. Good luck to all...Olds....