Why Banning Single Coin Players is Stupid

[OTABILL]

   I must have missed where Bob Dancer posted in this forum what Phil posted and quoted? Did that come from somewhere in another forum other than in this thread?

To answer your question Ted, Dancer posted yhis comment in the Video Poker Strategy, ‘Ban all the single coin players’ topic on Page 3, August 9.

For the record, neither my wife nor I have ever played single coin.

[Tedlark]

Ahh thanks OTA, no wonder why I couldn't find it here?

And, for the record: neither have I.

[billryan]

I have. When I was young and stupid and thought getting free drinks at the Sands was cool. But in my defense, it was years before I knew anything about video poker and just assumed they were like slots in that the only way to win was to lucky.

[billryan]

For the record, I never said to ban single coin players.
I thought I was pretty clear in advocating they should be burned, and their ashes scattered in the four winds.

[DAAnMAAn]

Quoting Billryan..."What an utter load of carp by someone who claims to know the game.
Let's just throw away the slot clubs and promotions. The very things that determine where and what to play. But let's just ignore them. Rookie mistake #1.
Single coin players have a better chance of hitting jackpots? 99.9% machines don't have any jackpot for less than full coins, so this is nonsensical.
Playing single coins gets you drinks in bars?
Is that why you play ,in the first place? To get free drinks?
In summary, if you ignore a huge source of revenue, enjoy $62 royals and are too cheap to pay for a drink, single coin is the game for you.Cheers"
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I have zero problems with rebuttal and argument, I think it's great. What's not great is if people get personal. I think Billryan was not, and I'd like to retort.
First, we agree alot more than we disagree. I know this because I've been on the forum for awhile now and read the posts.
Second, I dismissed slot points and promos to simplify the discussion to the more objective ER of the game. To add slot points and promos complicates it greatly for these things ebb and flow and are different all the time.
Having said that, YES, I agree with the right slot club points and promos, a negative game can become positive and therefore single coin strategy should be avoided if possible.
Third,when I say more chances to hit a jackpot, it's on the assumption the player is on the same session bankroll. Say, brings $200 for single-line .25c 8/5 JOB...if he bets .25c he gets more spins for the $200 then betting $1.25 a spin for the $200 on the average.
Fourth, in my defense, calling me a rookie is close to the ad hominem attack side, but I assume you don't know I've been playing video poker for side income for years now, since 2006...and have started sharing my journey on the forum on my thread since 2015. Maybe not as long as some of the old timers, but I wouldn't call it rookie.
Fifth, when you wrote, "99.9% machines don't have any jackpot for less than full coins, so this is nonsensical." I never wrote this, and agree, makes no sense. Moving on.
Lastly, I was merely suggesting that most of the time, a single coin get will get you a free drink the same as a max coin bet. There was nothing more to it than that.
In sum, I think half of your rebutal made sense, half did not. But that's the beauty of it, we all can agree to disagree. But I certainly wouldn't ban anybody.
Cheers

[billryan]

I didn't call you a rookie. I said ignoring slot clubs and mailers when discussing a games value is a rookie mistake.
My favorite casino gives me roughly $200 a month in free play. That's more than enough to overcome the house edge on 9/6 JOB
To me, hitting four of a kind isn't a jackpot. The only jackpots I play for are 4 2s on a NSUD game or a Royal Flush. Others opinions may vary on that, especially if they play the more exotic games.
My first trip to AC, someone showed me how to put a dollar in a slot machine, order a drink, get the drink and go to another section and do the same thing. Back then, tipping a quarter or fifty cents was more common than tipping a dollar. I had a great weekend doing it,
these days I think it is lame.

[FloridaPhil]

This is a silly argument.  No one here is advocating single coin play as a winning strategy.  It's just a way to play a lot of negative VP cheap.  Are you mad because someone can play VP on this website for free?Maybe you are annoyed that someone might get a free drink while playing single coin or that they can play VP all day for $50?  Single coin players don't give a damn about slot clubs or free lasagna.  All they want is a few hours of entertainment for as little cost as possible.Let's stop fighting over single coin play.  No one should care how anyone else plays VP with their own money.  If you just like to argue, find something more interesting to rant about.

[billkuyk]

So where do we draw the line? Quarter single players or nickel full play players? They both play the same amount. Nickel players take up too many seats so let's get rid of them also. Now that I think about it maybe we should ban the quarter players as well. They consider a jackpot $1000 and take up a lot of casino space. Sarcasm of course, the point being once you burn and scatter ashes of one group when do you stop singling out particular people or groups because their VP philosophy is something you consider wrong, harmful or whatever your complaint may be. Maybe you should go back to posts you wrote in April 2016 asking about playing max coin. I wonder what you say to that billryan?

[buffalochips]

Does this argument include Webman banning hundreds [maybe thousands] of single-coin players from this site....many of which [maybe all] that have viewed this drivel.....and been offended.......and are just as big fans of BobDancer...play perfectly....for the mere enjoyment of the game.......?

[FloridaPhil]

When it comes right down to it, most of us are paying to play VP.  Some pay a little and some pay a lot.  Others think they are making money when they get a free sandwich. This whole thing reminds me of what happened a few years back when I hit a single coin $5 quad deuce for $1,000.   I put in a $20 bill and played Deuces Wild $5.    The lady sitting next to me was playing $25 a hand.   When she saw I hit a single coin jackpot, she was mad as hell.   She looked right at me and said "Winners play max coins!".  I laughed and walked off with $1,000 in my pocket.   Was she mad because I made $1,000 or because she was losing money by the bucket load?   Would I have hit this quad deuce if I had played max coins?  Who cares!