The World of Negative VP

[FloridaPhil]

Mr. Dancer and I are in prefect agreement when it comes to his Advantage Play VP Strategy.  He says he never plays any VP game unless he has an advanatge and I understand why.   My observations in Florida tell me positive VP games are for all practical purposes extinct.   My observations could be wrong and I am giving Mr. Dancer a chance to correct me publicly.  I am not afraid of being wrong.  I am tired of being accused of something I do not believe is truthful.There are some things we disagree about, video poker strategy is not one of them.  If you can find and play overall positive games, you are fortunate.   If you can't, you are paying to play.  How much you pay is up to you.

[Carcounter]

Jstark, you are right, but I always thought Phil was talking about something that was a kind of semi- permanent positive play, although he didn't specify it.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Carcounter]Jstark, you are right, but I always thought Phil was talking about
something that was a kind of semi- permanent positive play, although he
didn't specify it.[/quote]I am talking about long term profitability, not a one time opportunity.   If I walk up to a VP machine and find $200 left on the machine and play it, that's a one time opportunity.  It's also stealing money that I was not entitled to.   Mr. Dancer says I have long term positive VP opportunities available to me in Florida that I refuse to take advantage of.  I am asking him to show them to me and the members of this forum.

[FAA]

cherry picking left over Ultimate X multipliers is not a genuine long term positive VP game.
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ROTF. To state the obvious. We don't grab a basket of of bread from a neighboring vacated table upon leaving the restaurant, either.

[Tedlark]

Are we sure???

[Jstark]

[quote=Carcounter]Jstark, you are right, but I always thought Phil was talking about
something that was a kind of semi- permanent positive play, although he
didn't specify it.I am talking about long term profitability, not a one time opportunity.   If I walk up to a VP machine and find $200 left on the machine and play it, that's a one time opportunity.  It's also stealing money that I was not entitled to.   Mr. Dancer says I have long term positive VP opportunities available to me in Florida that I refuse to take advantage of.  I am asking him to show them to me and the members of this forum.



[/QUOTE]
These are long term profitable plays. If they weren't, people wouldn't pick them off. But as I said, if you're happy playing 98% games, by all means keep playing them.

[OTABILL]

[QUOTE=FloridaPhil]



[quote=Carcounter]Jstark, you are right, but I always thought Phil was talking about
something that was a kind of semi- permanent positive play, although he
didn't specify it.I am talking about long term profitability, not a one time opportunity.   If I walk up to a VP machine and find $200 left on the machine and play it, that's a one time opportunity.  It's also stealing money that I was not entitled to.   Mr. Dancer says I have long term positive VP opportunities available to me in Florida that I refuse to take advantage of.  I am asking him to show them to me and the members of this forum.



[/QUOTE]
These are long term profitable plays. If they weren't, people wouldn't pick them off. But as I said, if you're happy playing 98% games, by all means keep playing them. [/QUOTE]

How is this practice viewed by casinos? In this case the ones in Florida FP is talking about. Will they ban you if caught. Just wondering.

[Jstark]

That's not the question. The question is, is the play a long term 100%+ play? And the answer is, yes.

[FloridaPhil]

Long term profitable plays?  Special plays?  Good for one plays?   If my wife holds two to a royal when the math says not to and she hits a royal, does that make it a positive play?   Advantage play as I understand it  is about finding long term positive opportunities, playing perfectly and waiting for math to work in your favor.   Mr. Dancer reportedly has made a lucrative career from this strategy.  If there are no long term positive opportunities, there is no advantage.  Mr. Dancer finds these opportunities and has the ability to act on them, the average forum member does not. I am not disputing Mr. Dancer's methodology.  I am disputing it's effectiveness at the casinos where we play, especially in light of the investment required.  If his example means playing $5 games and it may, would the guaranteed return be any better than buying a tax free municipal bond?These are questions "intelligent" people should ask before they shell out $25 a hand.  

[Eduardo]

Advantage play is a series of plays of any type under which you have an advantage. They will seldom be the same play repeatedly. Promotions may be temporary. A multiplier may be a one time event. A mailer may only come once in your lifetime. A progressive machine may be negative and then turn positive at a certain point, then after being hit no longer be an advantage play. It doesn't mean you have one machine with an edge that you play forever.  In some cases it may, if played perfectly or within a certain margin of error.By limiting your play to such opportunities, you maintain the advantage over the casino.If an advantage play were easy, obvious, and permanent, it wouldn't exist. That's why advantage play requires a certain level of smarts, dedication and discipline.