Finally a nice hit at Mohegan Sun

[FAA]

Try as I might for the last several years on 99%
machines playing millions of hands, all they did was smoke me big time.
These 97.2-98.8 machines have rewarded me where the full pay failed.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tell me about it! The last two AC weeks exclusively 99.54% JOB. Smoked big time. Triple digit loss each day. I still believe in full pay, but I will climb up in denomination to dollars and CS. At least those do not make players wait 1,000 hands for a quad! My benign two hour play days have turned into horrific four hour play days.

[olds442jetaway]

CS will definitely minimize your losses, but you have to be extremely lucky to hit the big hands when you up your bets. As posted below, to survive, I had to resort to a type of play most would not like, but it has been working for me for the last couple of months. Find a game you like that has a payoff for a premium hand of at least 100 for 1. Also it helps if there are other premium hands that pay more like Royals, Aces with kickers, etc. Assuming you have found that game, play the minimum until you hit the lower premium hand or have lost that hundred units. Then just bet the amount you will need to be even if the lower premium hand hits. I was just lucky because recently, I was able to hit the higher premium hands while I had increased my bet trying to hit the lower one. This is kinda like a Martingale, but much milder. I have tried this on job, but the 25 to 1 hits don't seem to be enough on those days when the quads are hours apart. On halfway decent days though, it works well on job. Of course if nothing good comes your way in a session, we will get smoked no matter what we do. I am heading up to see Paul Anka tonite at Mohegan and may actually try it again on job for a while. I have also tried it once on DDB and increased my bet after losing 50 units which is what the cheapest quad pays, but the one for one on DDB for 2 pair is a real killer if quads are not hitting at all.

[olds442jetaway]

Try as I might for the last several years on 99%
machines playing millions of hands, all they did was smoke me big time.
These 97.2-98.8 machines have rewarded me where the full pay failed.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tell me about it! The last two AC weeks exclusively 99.54% JOB. Smoked big time. Triple digit loss each day. I still believe in full pay, but I will climb up in denomination to dollars and CS. At least those do not make players wait 1,000 hands for a quad! My benign two hour play days have turned into horrific four hour play days.

      
     I don't want to discourage you FAA, but at least for me, going between 1k and 2k hands without a quad is not that unusual. For you, while in this cold cycle, I think CS might be the way to go either on quarters, halves, or dollars. I know when Phil plays it, he goes to max bet on the hits of four or more, but how about just doubling your bet from 1 to 2. Of course there is the Royal penalty to deal with. Until they yank it, I have those 2 all star machines at Mohegan that pay the 800 for bet one for the Royal. I suspect they won't last too much longer. Wish I could send one your way. It is only on the spin poker option and sometimes I just play the center line though 3 lines is less stressful when you are playing 1 line and see a Royal come in on the upper or bottom line that you are not playing.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Olds442jetaway]Of course there is the Royal penalty to deal with.[/quote]CS extends your play giving you more chances at a jackpot.   Most of these jackpots will be at single coin, some of them may even be royals.   It's the rare max coin jackpot that may allow CS to overcome the game odds.   This assumes you are lucky enough to hit enough max coin jackpots to make up the difference.   You can play video poker two ways; grind it out with level play hoping for math to pull you out or minimize your loses with CS and hope luck works in your favor.   It's your money, play whatever way makes you happy.  There is no guarantee either way.This year, I modified my own CS strategy to avoid short coin royals.  Instead of playing short coin and moving to max coins, I am playing max coins all the time moving between quarter and dollar play.  This requires a bigger bankroll because you are playing bigger, but not as much as level play at the higher denomination.   This works for me because I like having a chance at bigger jackpots but I don't like the loses that go along with them.  The last two months have been good to me.

[alpax]

Nice hits.

I also play your strategy staring with max bet quarters. I put in $100 to start instead of $20. I start max betting dollars at $125 and cash out at $250.

I am guessing that the single coin got to you at a point where 5 out of every 6 royal you hit will be shorted.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=alpax]I am guessing that the single coin got to you at a point where 5 out of every 6 royal you hit will be shorted[/quote]I think that's about right.  CS was never intended to be a winning strategy.  Some members misinterpreted it as such and Mr. Dancer went bonkers on the subject because I posted the fact that I was slightly ahead over a two year period while using it.  CS allows a player to enjoy more hands with the same bankroll while preserving the chance of a max coin jackpot.  Winning and losing long term all depends on how many max coin jackpots you are lucky enough to win.CS limited my losses and served me well while I was building my bankroll.   My video poker bankroll is now about $25K, so I feel comfortable playing max coins all the time.  My goal is not to win long term.   It's to enjoy the game, the comps and the casino experience as cheaply as possible.  It's nice not to have the angst of hitting a short coin royal anymore.  CS worked well for me and taught me how to manage my money.  Those lessons were a lot more valuable to me than any play strategy would ever be.

[FAA]

FAA, but at least for me, going btw 1k and 2k hands without a quad
is not that unusual. For you, while in cold cycle, I think CS might
be way to go.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Olds, you play high variance stuff, so on that agreed. I have very rarely if ever gone 1,000 hands without a stinking JOB quad. The RNG simply shut me out for two hours! I never stay on one for two hours to begin with. So frustrating that I slapped my thighs with both hands when the quad finally came. So burned w quarters. I need that quad to pop asap. So, dollar CS it is. In a half hour I should be rewarded and hopefully make a few bucks. It should be much more fun since I will take a flier once or twice on that $4,000 RF. And finally earn some TCs.

[FAA]

5 out of every 6 royal you hit will be shorted---------------------------------------------------------Good estimate. It was painful enough being shorted $25 when the quad hit. I couldn't believe how extended the cold cycle was. Sitting duck for the reverse ATM. I'll never forget that Borgata one coin RF either. On dollars I simply must CS. My sliding scale play is not even an option. I require absolute discipline due to bankroll.

[FloridaPhil]

When I play $1 CS or switch to max coin dollars, I always use a $100 cash out limit.  Some days a couple of these tickets will pull you out.   I absolutely hate going home busted. 

[olds442jetaway]

I finally had to just about give up on 9/6 job FAA because I was getting too many of those 1k-2k hands without any quads at all never mine the constant lack of Royals. The last couple of months, the Deuces Wild games have been rewarding me well. Of course the only way you can win over a long ten hour session is to hit the premium hands. Quite often, I would run out of time and sometimes money for the session and not hit any. I have all but eliminated that problem by doing two things. First, if I am playing the DDS game for either regular deuces or Bonus deuces, I can play twice as many hands per hour. That gives me a better shot in the course of a long session of hitting quad deuces, a royal, dealt wild royal or 5 Aces on the bonus deuces game. Hitting any of those will make me a winner for the session.
    The other method that all but insures me a premium hand or hands is playing at least 3 lines on the Bonus Deuces Wild game, but playing it on draw poker. I will post separately above the results from last night's trip.   Again on this game, these hands will make me a winner for the session if I stop when I get one or take a break and start all over if there is time to begin another marathon in the same session. Two or even four hour sessions just won't cut it with me on most trips. I need the extra hours of play most times to hit those big hands.