Quarter Deuces

[FloridaPhil]

January 7th and 8th are Bonus Free Days in Tampa.  On those days my Free Play can double or triple.  They have 2-3 of these days each month and I play there when they do. My Free Play wins have made a big difference in my results.  Playing slots with your free play is a double win.  It ups your free play and you can keep the money if you are willing to walk away with your wins and not feed them back into the machines.[quote=billryan]Now if he could only figure out how to double his free play while breaking even.
[/quote]It is true playing bigger earns you more free play and comps.  If I was to play $100 a coin, I'm sure they would give me most anything I asked for.  Why would they do this?  They would get more of my money.  There are many reasons why this would be true.  First, playing bigger magnifies the cost of your errors.  I will be 71 years old next month.  My doctors tell me I am in excellent health.  Playing like a computer forever is not something a 70 something person can expect to do.  I have serious doubts anyone could ever do this, but that's only my opinion.  I wish it weren't so, but that is the reality.The best VP game in Florida is still significantly negative.  There is no cash back.  Comps are limited to free play and credit that can only be used in their facilities.  Playing quarters, I already get free rooms and food and I don't need any more Hard Rock T Shirts or bath soap.The Federal Government is going to tax me for playing VP bigger.  This may take as much as 37% of my winnings.  What good is it for me to sweat perfect play, fight against the odds, win and be taxed for my efforts?On top of this, what happens if my royals don't show up on time or perhaps never?  Gambling involves risk.  The money I am playing with is real money that was earned the hard way.   Anyone can become wealthy by being at the right place at the right time.  You don't keep money by making poor decisions.  If you see someone who has kept their money, he/she worked hard to earn it.  If you are that person, you don't throw it away praying for a royal flush.You can not pick and choose only the parts of Dancer VP strategy you like, ignore the rest, apply it to your own VP and expect to come out a winner.  There is no current advantage to playing bigger than quarters at the casinos where we play and that is fine with us.

[FAA]

if the 99.5% games in AC ever get pulled, I'm done. 2017 started pretty good, 2 royals totaling 6k, 2 weeks apart in April,
then downhill. Finished down 2k for the year.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Congratulations. You definitely got bang for the -$2,000. I'm guessing that the RFs came on schedule as you likely logged 90,000 hands. I'd be very comfortable with your year.

[FAA]

I would suggest a max of 300 / day and also a time limit.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Aha! Now you have hit upon my theory. We're usually giving back Hour 1 winnings in Hour 2 and beyond. At least I am. Solution: Time Limit. I am definitely going to find outdoor things to do for the balance of my day. That quirky AC goodwill store? I'm there. That out of the way lunch place? Great time for a stroll. Boardwalk massage? Sure. The Lighthouse? I'd rather climb up than have my winnings plunge down.

[FloridaPhil]

Most experts say 2 hours is about the limit of accurate play.   I often play much longer than that.   The most enjoyable VP for us is done at places with a lot of casinos in a small area.  Blackhawk CO is a good example.  From the Ameristar you can walk to at least a dozen casinos.  Walking around and playing a little at each one is very enjoyable entertainment.  We don't get all that excited about the odds.  We expect to lose long term.  Playing quarters keeps our losses within acceptable limits.  I drive 3 hours round trip each week to play VP in Tampa.  Driving that much to play for 2 hours is not worth the trouble.  To break up my sessions, I move around a lot.  When I go with someone else, we eat lunch to break it up.  Personally, I don't think quitting when you are ahead has any long term affect on your VP results. Your VP play over your lifetime will be what it is no matter how you break it up. On multi day VP vacations, I try to break my sessions into 2 hours max.    If I'm tired, I will switch to slots or go on a drive.  I don't drink now, so that's never an issue.  If she is losing, my wife goes shopping.  At least she has something to show for her money at the end of the day. 

[FAA]

Most experts say 2 hours is about the limit of accurate play.   I--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You missed my point. It's not about the accuracy loss. Especially in JOB where it's basically autopilot anyway. You usually lose later because that's the natural order of things. The hot/hold your own machine cools way off. You move, only to land on a cold machine.Move, and more cold. More time, more wrenches thrown in. Net result is a negative day. Leave at what you reasonably believe is the parabola's peak point. It's not worth the future grief.

[FloridaPhil]

Leaving when you are ahead feels good.  So does leaving when you are behind.  So which is it?  These are things we do because we are humans and humans want to think we are in control.   Each of us has a number on our heads when we are born.  It is the number of days we have to live.  If you play VP and you are ahead when you die, you are a long term winner.  If you die before the number of jackpots appear that math says should occur, you are a long term loser.   No VP strategy can change that number.I'm sorry if this seems a little too deep for this forum.   When you get older you think about these things.  Do the best you can.  Take care of yourself and don't take life or VP too seriously and everything will be just fine.

[billryan]

It's very rare these days that someone so utterly clueless is willing to constantly prove it in a public forum.
Phil uses two cards, yet can't figure out the simplest way to increase his free play.

[FloridaPhil]

This is the Recreational Play Forum.  We play VP for entertainment, not to act out our gambling fantasies.

[billryan]

Clueless?  Billy, perhaps I am reading too much into your posts or giving you too much credit for thinking this through?  Are you saying all players should bet bigger so they can earn more free play and comps?  How does this make sense in a negative VP environment?   How about taxes?  What about the cost of human errors?   What do you tell someone who plays where the casino is ultra tight with their comps?  If I must lose $500 in order to earn a free hamburger, is that a good decision?This is the Recreational Play Forum.  We play for entertainment.  Some people need to risk big money to be entertained.  If the thrill of winning big money is all that matters to you, bet as big as you need to get your kicks.  I am over it. 




Where have I suggested you bet bigger? Just one example of it, por favor? As this is indeed the voodoo formula/losers lounge, I simply pointed out how clueless you seem to be when you are using two cards but one card has so much more free play on it than the other card.
From that, you somehow think I am telling you to bet bigger.
Clueless may be too kind a term.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billryan]Where have I suggested you bet bigger?[/quote]OK then.  We are on the same page.  My biggest problem with traditional VP strategy has always been the idea that betting bigger to gain an edge is advantageous.  To whom, the player or the casino?  Free play is not free.  Many of the old VP strategy principles are now obsolete or counter productive.   In 2018, the advantage has tilted so far to the side of the casinos that serious players are now playing to avoid losing their shirts not winning a nice lifestyle.  All I am trying to do is find a balance between the cost to play VP and the benefits gained.   Others many value these benefits differently.  I have no argument with that.  For us, playing max coin quarter VP is that right balance.