Crazy Luck Continues

[billryan]

[quote=billryan]Do you think APs hang around casinos all day ,awaiting a Royal Flush? A
RF is the cherry on top of a five scoop, three topping sundae.In 9/6 Jacks or Better a royal flush is 1.167% of the return.  What is it about being an AP that makes royals insignificant?  Am I missing something here? 
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That is what people have been telling you for years, but you are too (you choose the word) to listen.

[billryan]

I wrote this in response to a rather snarky post from guess who, but he deleted it.

Once again, you fail to see the true relationship between pay tables and profitability.
Pay tables are but part of the arsenal a AP warrior brings to battle.
Dancer has written and talked about this fairly extensively. The best pay table in the casino is often not the most profitable game.
APs play chess. You are playing Candyland.
I suggest you go back and read Million Dollar Video Poker again. You seem to have gotten little out of it and jumped to many wrong conclusions.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billryan]Do you think APs hang around casinos all day ,awaiting a Royal Flush? A
RF is the cherry on top of a five scoop, three topping sundae.[/quote]Are you saying your AP friends make a profit playing VP without royals?  If they are counting on you to stick up for them on this forum, they need to find someone with more  (you choose the word).  I can see how this would work for Mr. Dancer,  his mailbox is full of royalty checks. 

[billryan]

Are you really this dense?
Yes,APs make money without hitting Royals.
Amazingly, your throw away insult to Bob actually is a hint on how they do it. I love walking to my mailbox. It's full of opportunity, even without royalty checks.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billryan]Amazingly, your throw away insult to Bob actually is a hint on how they do it. I love walking to my mailbox.[/quote]You brought this up.  I was only replying to your suggestion that APs make money from VP without hitting royals.Seriously, he needs royals to win just like everyone else including
you.  When you use math to calculate the odds of a VP game, the
calculations assume royals show up on time.  The longer they don't, the
deeper you go in the hole. Unless you are ahead far enough, you are a
loser to that point.   If for some reason you are unable to continue,
you are a loser forever.  The same thing could happen in reverse for
someone playing a negative game.  Long term has no meaning in VP.  It's length is determined by when you quit playing.Tomorrow is Bonus Free Play day in Tampa.  I'm heading over in the morning to scout the casino for royals so I can take phony pictures for this website.   I'll snap a couple for you while I'm at it.   

[billryan]

You are wrong. Can't put it any simpler than that.

My advice to you would be to forget everything you think you know and start over. Pick up Frugal Gambling. Pick up Million Dollar Poker. Pick up Comp City. Don't breeze thru them ,thinking you know what they say. Study it as if you are a 12 year old boy opening his first Playboy.

[FloridaPhil]

Playboy?  Wow, that is old.I have read most all the popular VP strategy books along with a few others you didn't mention.  I have never read one that told me how to survive playing the games I have to play except one.  That book is "The Undeniable Truth About Video Poker".   I don't agree with everything the author says, but most of it makes sense.  I applied his suggestions to my game last December and it changed my results dramatically. On my desk right now is an old dogeared copy of "Million Dollar Video Poker".   It's a book that tells me to never play any video poker game unless I have an edge.  If I followed this advice, I wouldn't be on this website and neither would 99% of the rest of the players in America today.  Anyway, it's a great story about playing video poker 20 years ago when casinos made
mistakes and 100% VP games were common.  It doesn't say anything about
winning Florida VP in 2018.  Perhaps there will be a 2018 version?Vegas VP is an anomaly.  At the moment, you have the best VP in America.  Your casinos are all fighting over your business and it seems are willing to offer you anything to get you to play.   The VP I know is nothing like that.  When I talk about video poker I am discussing my VP, not yours.   That is why I suggested a Recreational Strategy Forum to begin with, so we would have a place to talk about VP games without an edge.   For some reason, you do not comprehend this. I agreed not to comment on the Strategy Forum so you don't have to listen to my uninformed comments.   Why don't you give us a break and do the same for us?

[billryan]

God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason.
You are right. Never sit at a game unless you have an edge. Where you are wrong is that you seem to feel a pay table is the end all, be all.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billryan]Where you are wrong is that you seem to feel a pay table is the end all, be all.[/quote]Actually I don't.   Bob Dancer is the one who says to never play any VP game unless you have an edge.  I play them all.  Odds have nothing to do with jackpots.  If there's one thing I am absolutely positive of, it's that.   My understanding of Advantage Play Strategy is you play positive games perfectly and wait long enough for the math to make you a winner.   Is this an incorrect assumption on my part?  Does Advantage Play mean play so big that the casino makes you a Board Member?    Has the definition of Advantage Play changed over the last 20 years?  Help us out here.

[billryan]

Yes, that's a very incorrect assumption. not surprising, but very incorrect.
Being an Advantage Player, quite simply ,means you play with an advantage.
If you walk into a casino to play 9-6 JOB and you have a promo that earns you $25 cash back for running $50 thru the machine, you are an advantage player. When you figure out how to do that multiple times a day, you are an Advantage Player. When you find the one VP game in a casino that awards points like a slot machine, that's an advantage play.
When you never sit down to play without first checking that the machine you are playing and the promotion you are chasing is the best available, then you are an advantage player. When you sit around a casino all day trying to vulture certain games, I suppose that makes you an AP.
Reading a book by a VP expert and misunderstanding much of it doesn't make you an AP.