Deuces Wild Results

[billryan]

Is Phil honestly asking if Dancer and company would have played those particular games if they were negative?
My God. Ten years of posting crap and he hasn't absorbed one simple basic of the game?

[FAA]

I prefer the second phrasing as well. Unfortunately, that would hinder book sales and the subsequent cottage industry. Anyway, all moot for me as my play is non LV.

[onemoretry]

The issue I have with some VP experts is they say, "If you play positive VP games, over time good things will happen". This sounds like a guarantee to me and it ignores the real possibility that you could lose.

"Play at your own risk and do not play with money you cannot afford to lose. Do not chase losses. Stop playing if it ceases to be fun. It is possible to lose large amounts of money even while playing perfectly."

Doe that sound like a guarantee, and ignoring the possibility of losing?

[FloridaPhil]

I have answered your questions as plainly and clearly as possible. If you don't like my answers, you can ask them again and we will repeat the same words over and over again. My question remains. If the author was playing negative VP during that six month period, would it have changed anything? If you think it would, where is the breaking point for profit? Is a 100.00001% VP game profitable and a 99.999% VP game unprofitable?

Teaching players to play better games accurately and to take advantage of comps is beneficial. It helps them be better players and warns them to avoid playing games with an excessive house edge. I am all for that.

What I object to is using the implied assumption that playing positive VP games is justification for risking more money. If you can't lose playing positive VP, why not clean out your IRA and double it? All through this book it makes statements like this. "This game was worth X number of dollars an hour, so I decided to play it." There is no guarantee any video poker game is worth any amount per hour.

Millions of people play video poker each year. Despite having computer software that can train you to play perfectly, very few VP players make a long term profit. I walk into the casino assuming I am going to lose, so I play conservatively. I play the best games as perfect as I can. I don't worry about making a profit, hardly anyone does. Some days I walk out with empty pockets. There is nothing I can do to prevent that. Most days I break even and on a few days I make money. I enjoy the game for what it is meant to be...entertainment.

Don't get caught up in the unrealistic dream of making a profit from this game. Everyone thinks they will. Lots of people make that claim. Few actually do.

[onemoretry]

I have answered your questions as plainly and clearly as possible.

No, you haven't. You dodge, weave, evade, obfuscate, etc., but rarely even address the actual question. I can't help wondering if you are actually a retired politician.

[FloridaPhil]

All I have told you is what I believe, what happens when I play and why I play VP the way I do. I think it's important for members of this forum to hear both opinions. One side seems to believe there is a methodology that guarantees you can beat the casino. I think this same methodology makes it more likely, but I do not believe it comes close to guaranteeing you will. That is all there is to this never ending discussion.

You can not change what happens when I play VP. I can not change or confirm your results. You say you win long term. I say most player's don't. There are millions more VP players like me than long term winners. Let's post our arguments and let members decide for themselves.

[Tedlark]

Phil you said: " I don't worry about making a profit, hardly anyone does." Can you elaborate on what you meant by this? Are you saying that hardly anyone worries about making a profit playing video poker or are you saying that hardly anyone makes a profit playing video poker?

Also you then went on to say that there is nothing you can do to prevent yourself from walking out of a casino with empty pockets. How can you say this when you absolutely know there IS something you can do to prevent you from walking out of a casino with empty pockets?

Why do you walk into a casino already assuming that you are going to lose? If you are driving down the street 40 mph in a posted 35 mph zone and you see a police officer, are you then going to automatically assume that the police officer is going to pull you over and write you a ticket for speeding?

[FloridaPhil]

Phil you said: " I don't worry about making a profit, hardly anyone does." Can you elaborate on what you meant by this? Are you saying that hardly anyone worries about making a profit playing video poker or are you saying that hardly anyone makes a profit playing video poker?

Also you then went on to say that there is nothing you can do to prevent yourself from walking out of a casino with empty pockets. How can you say this when you absolutely know there IS something you can do to prevent you from walking out of a casino with empty pockets?

Why do you walk into a casino already assuming that you are going to lose? If you are driving down the street 40 mph in a posted 35 mph zone and you see a police officer, are you then going to automatically assume that the police officer is going to pull you over and write you a ticket for speeding?

Ted, everyone wants to make a profit playing VP. Few players do long term. I believe you would agree with that statement?

The reason I walk into the casino assuming I am going to lose is to keep myself from taking risks I will regret later. If I walk into the casino assuming I am going to win, I may play above my bankroll or switch to ultra high variance games attempting to engineer a jackpot. When I start believing a video poker machine is my own personal ATM, It always costs me money.

Sometimes, no matter what I do, the machine will clean out my pockets. Thankfully those days are rare. We have all had days when quads do not appear and a straight seems like a jackpot. In the past, I tried everything to prevent this from happening. These days, I stay on course and let the cards fall where they may (so to speak)

[onemoretry]

You say you win long term.

I did NOT claim to be a long term winner. You asked a question about my results playing positive games, and that is the question to which I responded.

Unfortunately, like most players, I do not have an abundance of truly positive opportunities available to me. Therefore, I choose to play slightly negative, but affordable games. I do not consider myself to be an overall winner at the machines themselves, but consider the cost to be reasonable, given other benefits I receive.

[billryan]

" I can't seem to face up to the facts,
I'm tense and nervous and can't relax.
He's clucking a lot but not saying anything.
I plucked him once, why pluck him again?
Psycho Chicken
Better run run run run run away
Oh Ya,