Pot Shot Strategy Explained

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[quote=notes1]i have been critical of casinos, but i think it is a little harsh to use 'rob you', when describing playing casino games.You're right.  The word "rob" was not a good choice of words.  However, casinos invest million of dollars into the science of getting patrons to spend more than they need to.  A good example of this is the 4,000 coin royal bonus.  Color choices, flashing lights, bells, music, free drinks, Etc. all are designed to make you want more more more....   I have nothing against casinos making money, as long as they make it from someone else.  

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 agree, 100%. unfortunately, i am one of he folks they make money from. but, i know it going in and accept it. hope your playing strategies continue to provide postive results.

[alpax]

[QUOTE=alpax]I was wondering how the Deuces Wild paytables were at the casinos you've played it in the mid 90s before all of these downgrades after the recession hit. Did you even bother learning the penalty situations for each paytable?
I started playing video poker in 1991, when my wife surprised me with a "We're going to Vegas" wedding anniversary gift.

I started with basic 25c single line 9/6 JOB. As I became a little more knowledgeable about the game, I quickly switched to 25c single line deuces wild. This was my staple for many years, playing mostly at the Barbary Coast, with some play at other coast casinos, and at Main Street Station. I knew, and still know, the strategy for full pay deuces wild cold, including all penalty card situations.

With the demise of full pay deuces, NSU deuces became my game of choice. Nowadays, I play it at Main Street Station and South Point. I do not have the strategy for it down completely pat, but I am aware of the tricky hands and consult a strategy card when I encounter them.

Similarly, when playing "Airport Deuces" at the M, and my local casino, I consult a strategy card when dealt one of the harder hands to figure out.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for sharing your story from the past, very interesting how it all started; before the times when Native American tribes got rights to Vegas type slots. Strategy wise I suppose back then people had to figure things out on their own before all these computer assisted training software came out.

Seems like the games have not changed much, just the availability of FPDW is dwindling and the comps offers have gone down. Airport Deuces and NSU certainly are non existent on the Strip any more. Both the South Point and the M are certainly to go to places for Deuces Wild. There is no full pay JoB at the M resort though. On top of that on most occasions you get rewarded with a random gift, free buffet, or a random drawing.

[onemoretry]

Thank you for sharing your story from the past, very interesting how it all started; before the times when Native American tribes got rights to Vegas type slots. Strategy wise I suppose back then people had to figure things out on their own before all these computer assisted training software came out.

Seems like the games have not changed much, just the availability of FPDW is dwindling and the comps offers have gone down. Airport Deuces and NSU certainly are non existent on the Strip any more. Both the South Point and the M are certainly to go to places for Deuces Wild. There is no full pay JoB at the M resort though. On top of that on most occasions you get rewarded with a random gift, free buffet, or a random drawing.
To be honest, I have no specific memory as to how I learned the playing strategy for full pay deuces wild. There must have been some sources of information, since I didn't do it on my own. I do know that I have a Dancer/Daily strategy card for the game. I've had it for a long, long time, but I don't know precisely when I acquired it.

We just did not realize how good we had it "back in the day". Full pay deuces wild, 0.3% cashback, comped rooms, comped food, and slot personnel telling us that: "you don't ask for enough".

Another really great play from that era was at the Las Vegas Hilton, where full pay 25c (100.72%) All American poker was available on machines that mistakenly awarded players with cashback and comps as if they were playing traditional slots.

Unfortunately, we didn't the playing budget then that we have today, so couldn't take full advantage of what was available.

The M does offer ACES bonus poker, which has a return somewhere between that of 9/6 JOB and 8/5 bonus. We play it a bit when we're there. Mostly, though, we play the airport deuces on the triple line 25c progressives. We normally get 2X points, which equates to 0.6% cashback.

We have no difficulty playing enough on them to secure all the comped buffets we want. I am not a huge fan of buffets, but if you have to go to one, M's is undoubtedly one of the best.

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I think Dancer and Daily were in business in the early 2000s after the Million Dollar Poker story so perhaps FPDW was still popular then before the recession hit.

I've read stories from Jean $¢ott Frugal Vegas blogs on how good it was, how they can practically live in Vegas for free for just playing a few hours. I think Dancer takes advantage of machines that rewards players as if it was slots to this day. I did not have too much problems playing slots until the (1) advent of video penny slots, (2) recession hit, and (3) rise of multi billion dollar casinos on the strip.

Forgot to add that the M Resort also does not have NSU Deuces. The mailer I get from the M Resort about the 2x Video Poker states it is not eligible for Full Pay games and select machines. The only such games I know are considered full pay is 8/5 Bonus (along with ACE$ Bonus for 25c/50c/$1) and 9/6 DDB. Spelling out ACE$ is tough, I do not know anyone posted it here.

If getting the double points from Airport Deuces is possible, I'd take that trade off than to play NSU at South Point to earn the 2000 points it takes to get the Studio B Buffet.

[onemoretry]

About 1 in 3 chances you will be dealt at least a single deuce, it should allow the player to win at least once within 4 hands a little more often than to bust all 4 times (which is always possible).
I fully agree that a four hand sequence is more likely to contain a paying hand than not. But, applying the term "extremely rare" to the occurrence of the non paying sequence just does not sit well with me.

I usually play deuces wild in the monthly contest. Today, out of curiosity, I kept track of the non paying sequences (I know, I should find something better to do with my time).

Here are the results for the 500 hands played: four non paying hands in a row - 15 times, five in a row - 7 times, and 1 each for six, seven and eight in a row.

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The mailer I get from the M Resort about the 2x Video Poker states it is not eligible for Full Pay games and select machines. The only such games I know are considered full pay is 8/5 Bonus (along with ACE$ Bonus for 25c/50c/$1) and 9/6 DDB. Spelling out ACE$ is tough, I do not know anyone posted it here.

If getting the double points from Airport Deuces is possible, I'd take that trade off than to play NSU at South Point to earn the 2000 points it takes to get the Studio B Buffet.

I have to confess that I had not taken note of that qualifying statement in the mailer. I don't know if it's new, or has always been there. We have definitely received the 2X points on the airport deuces progressive on previous trips.

I guess we'll find out in late September - early October, when we next visit there, if the 2X still applies to our play.

[misterlister]

is any of this thread for real? It almost looks like it's been inserted for a purpose.

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[QUOTE=alpax] The mailer I get from the M Resort about the 2x Video Poker states it is not eligible for Full Pay games and select machines. The only such games I know are considered full pay is 8/5 Bonus (along with ACE$ Bonus for 25c/50c/$1) and 9/6 DDB. Spelling out ACE$ is tough, I do not know anyone posted it here.

If getting the double points from Airport Deuces is possible, I'd take that trade off than to play NSU at South Point to earn the 2000 points it takes to get the Studio B Buffet.

I have to confess that I had not taken note of that qualifying statement in the mailer. I don't know if it's new, or has always been there. We have definitely received the 2X points on the airport deuces progressive on previous trips.

I guess we'll find out in late September - early October, when we next visit there, if the 2X still applies to our play. [/QUOTE]

I got around to taking a 13 megapixel picture of my M Mailer for July - September 2015. Hopefully you can see on the bottom right where it says excluded on certain machines and full pay video poker machines.

[onemoretry]

I got around to taking a 13 megapixel picture of my M Mailer for July - September 2015. Hopefully you can see on the bottom right where it says excluded on certain machines and full pay video poker machines.


Sorry - you didn't have to do that. I didn't mean to imply I can't see it on my own mailer. I just hadn't taken particular note of it.

I certainly hope they do not start excluding the triple line 25c progressive from the multiplier.

[FloridaPhil]

All the Florida Hard Rock casinos exclude video poker from multipliers. Come to think of it, I haven't seen a point multiplier flyer from them in years.  I went to Tampa yesterday and they removed the three machines with the good quarter deuces odds and relocated most of the video poker machines to the back on the east casino.  Thank goodness my lucky $5 machines are still there. My hope is Hollywood doesn't change anything.  We'll see in a couple of weeks.