CS strategy

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billryan]It simply shows his total lack of understanding and respect for math.[/quote]I understand VP math just fine.  Where we disagree is it's power to predict the future.  Thinking math can predict VP winners or losers is a foolish assumption.  This is true because much of the positive gains in VP come in a few rare hands. Hit less than your share and you lose.  Hit more than your share and you win.  I have had the experience of hitting 4 royals in one day playing a 96% VP game.   My dog could have hit those royals and she's never been to a VP class. 

[billryan]

[quote=billryan]It simply shows his total lack of understanding and respect for math.I understand VP math just fine.  Where we disagree is it's power to predict the future.  Thinking math can predict VP winners or losers is a foolish assumption.  This is true because much of the positive gains in VP come in a few rare hands. Hit less than your share and you lose.  Hit more than your share and you win.  I have had the experience of hitting 4 royals in one day playing a 96% VP game.   My dog could have hit those royals and she's never been to a VP class. 



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Thank you for proving my point. It's a shame you don't realize how you did, but thanks anyway.

[FAA]

Much of the positive gains in VP come in a few rare hands. Hit less than your share and you lose.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------All you need to know. The "entertainment" is severely curtailed without such hands. I'm in a long RF free rut. Dog days have stretched way beyond August.

[FloridaPhil]

This post is about CS.  The goal of CS is to extend play while retaining the possibility of a max coin jackpot.  It works exactly as defined.  Some players will win using it and some will lose.  No one is telling anyone to play that way.  If you like it, great.  If not, don't use it.  

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billryan]Phil asked a rhetorical question the other day.
If six Bob Dancers are playing a progressive bank and one of them hits, is he a genius and the others aren't.
It simply shows his total lack of understanding and respect for math.
The simple answer is if six Bob Dancers play an infinite number of
progressives, each of them will hit the proper amounts of progressives.
To an expert VP player, todays results are meaningless, as are tomorrows or this weeks or last weeks.[/quote]What is the proper amount of progressives?  We can't say because we don't know when the tally starts or stops.  Players don't play infinitely.  If you get lucky and hit a $100,000 royal and never go back into the casino, you may be a long term winner.  The same is true of losing.  Expert VP players allegedly have a long track record of profit over time.  Not even expert players can play forever.  They aren't computers either.  If you say experts have a better chance of winning long term than the average player, I agree.  When you say strategy and skill can remove all luck from long term results, that's a stretch.  Whenever you have a totally random event coupled with a limited playing time, you have created a game where long term winning is based at least partly on luck.

[billryan]

Phil,
It's already been long established that you are clueless when it comes to understanding terms like long term, honesty,or just math in general.
There is really no reason to constantly reinforce it.

[Carcounter]

BR, Go easy on matginly. Guessing from the screen name he/she may be a Yankee fan.

[FloridaPhil]

When you are sitting in front of a video poker machine, you are picking the cards to keep and the cards to throw away.  Nothing you do can affect what happens after that.  No math, strategy, skill or methodology can force the machine to produce a jackpot.   Having a theoretical edge makes it more likely you will win long term, but there are no guarantees.  As much as you try, you can not take the "gambling" out of video poker.   If you understood math, you would know there is a chance of every VP outcome both short term and long term.   In fact, the chance that you will be the next Bob Dancer is about the same as the chance you will do as well as my dog.  

[matginlv]

BR, Go easy on matginly. Guessing from the screen name he/she may be a Yankee fan.

First off, you have the screen name wrong. It ends in a v not a y. Secondly, I don't watch baseball as it is too slow moving for me. Finally, I can't how unfriendly and closeminded this community is regarding VP. As I originally stated, I don't play this way and did it only as a test. I try to play as close to optimal as possible and follow Dancer's advice as best I can. I can see this forum has no room for differing opinons and members feel the need tp bash those that stray from the mathematics approach and take a chance on something else. I'll be more careful about posting things that go against the math approach on the future.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=matginly]Finally, I can't how unfriendly and closeminded this community is
regarding VP. As I originally stated, I don't play this way and did it
only as a test. I try to play as close to optimal as possible and follow
Dancer's advice as best I can. I can see this forum has no room for
differing opinons and members feel the need tp bash those that stray
from the mathematics approach and take a chance on something else. I'll
be more careful about posting things that go against the math approach
on the future.[/quote]The video poker strategy police are alive and well on this forum.  A few are motivated by financial gain.  Some are dreamers who are wishing someone will teach them how to beat the casinos.  Others just like to argue.  I wouldn't take it personally.  It's only video poker, not the secret of the universe.  You are not the first person or the last to post of making a profit playing with CS.  Profit was never the goal of CS.  However, when you limit your losses by playing single coin and you hit a max coin CS jackpot you add a lot of coins to your bankroll.   The first time I tried it in a casino I hit a max coin royal flush for $1,000.  When you are playing 25 cents a throw and the machine hands you 4,000 quarters you can claim a profit for a long time.  All I ever wanted CS to do was let me play VP all day without cleaning out my wallet.  Making a profit was not a consideration.  As it turned out, it was an unexpected but totally acceptable bonus. I do not play video poker expecting to make money long term.  If you want to play longer with the same money while having an exciting and entertaining experience, CS may work for you.  If you want to make sure you never hit a short coin royal, play max coins. Advantage Players like Bob Dancer are masters of VP and the comp game.  They take advantage of promotions, raffles and anything else that might make them a profit.  They also never play any game where they don't have an advantage.  Unless you want to live in a Vegas casino, that 's a different game than most of us are playing.