panic??

[Jstark]

the title of this thread is PANIC. seems the media is most likely to praise those who panic the most.

any leader that refrained or held back on shutting down any part of economy has been considered as uncaring for the rest of mankind. any leader who wants to reopen the country for business, is labeled by the media as being in the pockets of wall street.

but, if you are a leader that screams constantly that the medical system will surely be overwhelmed (never happened), that many will die for lack of supplies (never happened), that everything should be closed and stay closed, you are considered, by the left and media, as thoughtful and concerned about others.

has anyone else noticed, that the one's most vocal about keeping things closed, are the one's who never lose a paycheck, when things are closed.

The news media has become the new terrorists.

[tech58]

The media is definitely pumping out negativity 100-1.
Two possible reasons. Truly reporting the facts and letting people decide is,of course, not on the list.
#1) They are projecting what they want people to believe,facts not being a constraint. Or.
#2),they are projecting what they think people want to hear.

Both reasons being equally repugnant, any other thoughts?

[New2vp]

Ditto's, on the thanks to new2vp.

For those of us, with a target on our back. Would you be able to find odds of survival if infected for ages 70-80 and 80-up.

If not available, could you post a link to site you use?

The info that I used has been updated daily for a while. You can just google Ohio Department of Health Covid-19 Dashboard. The website appears to be powered by Tableau software. I just stumbled upon the link on the website in the last week that allows access to a CSV file that downloads into Excel. I have no particular biological expertise and the file does not show things that would allow one to tease out how much of the death rates are due to health factors, how much to age, how much to physical separation, or how much to demographics over than age and gender. Smoking status is another huge factor that is not accounted for in this data. So, any conclusions drawn from the data below may be seriously biased due to these missing variables.

Ohio is not a particular hotbed for the virus; while having about 3.5% of the country's population, it has produced fewer than 1.2% of the country's deaths. So, data from Ohio may differ significantly from other parts of the country. Of course, the country's averages in that regard are greatly skewed by New York, New Jersey, Louisiana, Michigan and Connecticut. Massachusetts, Washington (both the state and D.C.). Currently those areas have had about 20.9 deaths per 100,000 people, while the rest of the country has experienced about 2.3 deaths per 100,000. Ohio is still lower than that reduced average with about 1.8.

With that caveat, the numbers in Ohio for the higher age ranges are (showing Cases per 100,000, Deaths per Case, Hospitalization Rate per Case, and Death per Hospitalization):

Female 60-69: 67.41 cases per 100,000; 2.16% deaths per case; 36.94% hospitalizations per case; 5.85% deaths per hospitalization.

Female 70-79: 64.91 cases per 100,000; 6.98% deaths per case; 50.50% hospitalizations per case; 13.82% deaths per hospitalization.

Female 80+: 88.61 cases per 100,000; 18.25% deaths per case; 52.19% hospitalizations per case; 34.97% deaths per hospitalization.

Male 60-69: 80.86 cases per 100,000; 4.84% deaths per case; 44.80% hospitalizations per case; 10.80% deaths per hospitalization.

Male 70-79: 96.48 cases per 100,000; 11.14% deaths per case; 56.79% hospitalizations per case; 19.62% deaths per hospitalization.

Male 80+: 130.92 cases per 100,000; 25.10% deaths per case; 58.02% hospitalizations per case; 43.26% deaths per hospitalization.

Population numbers broke out by age and gender are NOT on the Department of Health's website. I am using some numbers from 2018 that I found on another Ohio government website: "Ohio Population Estimate: 2018 By Age and Sex."

There are several reasons why all these should be viewed relative to one another and not strictly be seen as infection rates or death rates:

1. We are still in the middle of the virus's effects. No doubt that there are people already infected that will die in the next few days; so these numbers would understate deaths.
2. There is very little testing being done in Ohio save for the very sick; so those that are asymptomatic or have mild reactions are not included as cases in any denominators. So, that would mean that using the level of cases as the level of "infections" would be a wild understatement. The very good news from that is that the death rates per "case" shown above are very, very much higher than the actual death rates per infection.
3. There are definitely issues with the Department of Health's data. While it may mostly be solid, there are almost always issues with data being put together and made available daily. Currently there are a dozen cases for which the gender is listed as "unknown" and another 3 for which the age range is unknown. There is some slight changing of fields within specific data lines that I have seen, perhaps as new information is discovered. Data errors when compiling information from hundreds of entry points in Ohio's counties occur. There are currently three deaths that according to the data occurred PRIOR to the onset of the Covid-19 virus in the case. While these are obvious errors, they signal that there could be other errors that are not so obvious.
4. Finally, I could certainly have made an error in putting these statistics together. No one has checked or questioned my work, so the possibility that I have made a clerical, factual, or logic error exists.

I hope this helps in what you might be looking for. None of the data is a substitute for taking appropriate precautions. And as my previous post suggests, while this certainly could be dire for those of us over 60, there is also optimism suggested for the vast majority of the working population. Let's hope the summer blots out the virus effects, and research quickly produces both cures and vaccines.

And we can get back to playing and talking about video poker.

[tech58]

Extreme THANKS new..for service above and beyond.

Your item #2 last sentence has been passing thru my mind (whats left of it) for a while.
I think that "underlying conditions" is more significant than the fear-mongering media is reporting.

Be safe. Best to you and yours.

[notes1]

NEW, thanks so much for useful info. this is the kind of stats that allows one to make an informed decision, on whether it is worth it to expose one's self to risk of getting the virus. if one is older, obese, diabetes, other pre-existing serious medical problems, stay at home, tell the kids/grandkids to visit another time.

let the rest of the country get back to slow crawl to normal.

[Carcounter]

Getting tired of Fauci. He seems to like the limelight too much.

[Carcounter]

The mainstream media loves this guy because he is so negative, but he has been wrong on just about everything and forgets we have videotape. Feburary 8th- "miniscuile risk to the public". Feb 29th-no need to change behavior. WTF is the fascination with this guy? Dr. Birx gives you real info, not generalities.

[Carcounter]

Jan 21 interviewed by Greg Kelly, Dr Fauci-"nothing to worry about"

[Carcounter]

Now that he has been caught in these inconsistencies, will he own up to them? What is his motivation?

[tech58]

Now that he has been caught in these inconsistencies, will he own up to them? What is his motivation?

Maybe the dem's got to him and promised Surgeon General if they win.