A Question for Bob Dancer

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Chicagoan]I actually win millions every year playing video poker. Do you think I could interest people into buying my system?[/quote]I'm sure you could.  Dreams are an easy sell to some people.   

[FAA]

What was P.T. Barnum's favorite saying?

[Tedlark]

"Quick, let's get out of town before they see all the elephant s$*t we left behind?"

[Carcounter]

I think Bob's advice is absolutely useful, even to a recreational player, which I am as is Florida Phil. His advice has served me well. Clearly the issue here is the fact that FP doesn't have good 99.5% plus games available in his home casino and CS works for him as far as continuing to get recreational value from his play. I don't play CS as I have 99.5% plus games available at Borgata and between the cashback and comp dollars I get very close to a 100% theo, and even over that during promotions. So although I practice what Bob preaches, I totally get where Phil is coming from. Phil definitely has the math skills to be a pro in a better VP market, but there are things more important in life to him. I feel the same way and could not possibly live the lifestyle of a pro. So, closer to Bob as far as how I play, closer to Phil as far as taking this as a recreational hobby. I like both Bob's and Phil's advice

[onemoretry]

Yes.......
Thank you for the prompt reply to my question, and for going on to elaborate on the effort you exerted to maximize your benefit from this promotion.

I was about 80% sure it was you, having a vague recollection of what you look like from having attended one of your classes about two years ago, and, previous to that, many,many years ago at another venue (Arizona Charlies?).

I am a bit older than you, but even in my younger days, I wouldn't, or couldn't, have played that long.

Our motive for playing, however, is different. We play for low cost (or, better still, negative cost) recreation and entertainment. You play for a living.

There was another promotion going on at South Point at the same time as the double points one - the Uspin thing where every two thousand points of play gave you a spin, up to four spins per day. It was available throughout our four day three night stay at South Point. I have no idea what the average spin generated, but I know I totalled about $195 from fourteen spins. This represented a touch over 0.5% of the coin in needed to earn the spins.

I wish I could say we cleverly organized our trip to be able to take advantage of these promotions, but I can't. As Canadians, we receive no mail at all from South Point, and it is very difficult to be aware of everything that is upcoming there. So, we lucked out.

Again, thanks for responding, and for confirming that when you say you play a certain game at South point under the right conditions, you, in fact, do exactly that.

[FAA]

Car, I use a modified CS even in AC. On max coin, I'd get cleaned like a clock in an hour flat. On min, I can't abide the chump change from great hands. I can't bet on the bail out quad showing up first hour; it almost never does. Starting max and ending min is my worst nightmare. Not an option. Then it's just remorse and regret for the rest of the day.

[djc32]

I use a modified CS even in AC. On max coin, I'd get cleaned like a clock in an hour flat. On min, I can't abide the chump change from great hands. I can't bet on the bail out quad showing up first hour; it almost never does. Starting max and ending min is my worst nightmare. Not an option. Then it's just remorse and regret for the rest of the day.

FAA, What do the nickel pay tables look like in AC?
Because even if the pay table gets reduced down to 9/5 JOB for nickels (98.45%)at max bet, the return would be better than playing single coin quarters on 9/6 JOB (98.37%) . And no more $62.50 royals.

[case]

I think Bob's advice is absolutely useful, even to a recreational player, which I am as is Florida Phil. His advice has served me well. Clearly the issue here is the fact that FP doesn't have good 99.5% plus games available in his home casino and CS works for him as far as continuing to get recreational value from his play. I don't play CS as I have 99.5% plus games available at Borgata and between the cashback and comp dollars I get very close to a 100% theo, and even over that during promotions. So although I practice what Bob preaches, I totally get where Phil is coming from. Phil definitely has the math skills to be a pro in a better VP market, but there are things more important in life to him. I feel the same way and could not possibly live the lifestyle of a pro. So, closer to Bob as far as how I play, closer to Phil as far as taking this as a recreational hobby. I like both Bob's and Phil's advice


Excellent post!!

[KingofAmerica]

[quote=Chicagoan]I actually win millions every year playing video poker. Do you think I could interest people into buying my system?I'm sure you could.  Dreams are an easy sell to some people.   

[/QUOTE]

I completely understand Bob Dancer's emnity toward Phil. Phil has basically hijacked Bob's entirety website promoting a strategy that is contrary to everything Bob stands for, and continually implies that Bob is a fraud who encourages people to gamble irresponsibly. I for one have stopped reading this forum often because of Phil's posts. Every so often I come back to see if he's died down, but it never changes. A shame, this used to be a fun and informative forum.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=KingofAmerica]I completely understand Bob Dancer's emnity toward Phil. Phil has
basically hijacked Bob's entirety website promoting a strategy that is
contrary to everything Bob stands for, and continually implies that Bob
is a fraud who encourages people to gamble irresponsibly. I for one have
stopped reading this forum often because of Phil's posts. Every so
often I come back to see if he's died down, but it never changes. A
shame, this used to be a fun and informative forum.[/quote]I am sorry you feel this way.  My intention was never to hijack Bob Dancer in any way.  What good is a forum if you only have the exact same views presented on every subject?  Bob Dancer has contributed to the enjoyment of video poker for all video poker players.  Even if you don't agree with his strategy or career choice, you have to find his input helpful.The main problem I have with his strategy is that it does not acknowledge recreational play.  He answers every question from the viewpoint of a professional and acts as though recreational players don't exist or are somehow inferior.  This is not at all helpful in my opinion.  This could be remedied  if he offered up his own strategy for playing less than 100% games other than not playing them at all.  If this happened, I would be all ears.In addition, if he would stop slinging barbs at me or my strategies, I would stop posting my personal opinions of him and keep them to myself.  I think it is perfectly fine to disagree, but we should be able to without resorting to insults.Personally, I think these back and forth discussions between us have been helpful to many.  It has opened up some different thinking on video poker strategies and caused players to think more about their long term results instead of what is happening today.  In the end, many find Bob Dancer's strategy works for them and some find mine to be a better option.  What's most important is what happens in your own wallet, not someone else's.