Get Well Soon - Recovering Mode

[cddenver]

Imagine playing $25/hand for hours without the comps to help make up the house advantage. I can understand new players not understanding the comp returns and offers from card play, but many times these are regular players.

 
I know several regular players who never, ever, play with their card in.  It's not a question of not understanding the implications as far as comps go, they just don't like their play being tracked because they think a machine is going to cheat them if it knows who they are.

[luigi1]

When player cards first came out I was leery because I believed the machine/casino powers that be would "know" me. My sister-in-law was getting fabulous comps and free play. I realized that that thinking was foolish and now put my card in every time. Also, the card keeps track of total wins and losses, so at tax time you have a record for Uncle Sam. You are throwing money and nice freebies away by not doing so.

[luigi1]

Oh ,and as far as rigging goes, yes it is possible.
 
 
Possible yes. But most likely not.  My best friend is a CPA who audits Indian Casinos in AZ.  After an unfortunate trip to the local casino I asked her if they program the machines to not pay...in a word, do they rig them?
She said unequivically Absolutely not! First, they would lose their gaming license and possible jail time for altering/tampering with the RNG chip. But they do have recourse. They can determine pay tables and around a year (usually) when they audit the machine for its take and profitability. If the machine has a propensity for jackpots  and the mgmt deems it unprofitable, they yank it.  That's how they can control payouts. I know they do this because I had a favorite machine that was very good to me, and one day...pffft...it was gone.  Replaced.    I do not believe I will ever get over the loss..sniff, sniff.

[billslim]

About the whole "card in/out" thing.  Let's just suppose "what if" .....  You as a casino could entice "lure" new customers with a little better payout on machines when their is no card.  This process will "hook" new customers...  Maybe even giving them a big hit.  Once they are "hooked" (like me) you lower all odds to ridiculous and make money money money!!!!   that's just my thought.  I am a seven star player and I know the ups and downs but I have to say the downs have never been so bad till the last year or two.  My two cents:) 

[cddenver]

About the whole "card in/out" thing.  Let's just suppose "what if" .....  You as a casino could entice "lure" new customers with a little better payout on machines when their is no card.
 
  Ah, but you wouldn't have any way of knowing if a machine with no card in it is being played by a regular or by a newbie.  But that's your point, isn't it?  Plenty of new players get cards and use them anyway.
 
If I put my casino manager hat on again I think I'd still do everything in my power to have those cards being put in machines.  I'd be able to identify new players from the information on the card and could send some nice jackpots their way to get them hooked. 
 

[billslim]

True that but with the cards "in" for regular players you could still lower the odds on the machine so that you could reap more money.  A "hooked" player will continue to spend.  And yes, you could raise the odd for new card members...  I would think that more "newbies" would play without a card than a regular would so "raising" the odds when a card is not present still might be ok.  BTW,  Today I played, $850 in one 5 play machine in 1.5 hours and only 2 4oaks.  Man it is really sucking!   

[shadowman]

It's a good hypothesis, too bad there is no way to accomplish it without breaking the manufacturers seal and voiding any maintenance agreement. Not to mention voilating their license agreement with the state and putting the whole establishment at risk of being put out of business. 

[spxChrome]

They can determine pay tables and around a year (usually) when they audit the machine for its take and profitability. If the machine has a propensity for jackpots  and the mgmt deems it unprofitable, they yank it.  That's how they can control payouts. I know they do this because I had a favorite machine that was very good to me, and one day...pffft...it was gone.  Replaced.    I do not believe I will ever get over the loss..sniff, sniff.
 
Wow. I thought it was just strange but this happen to me exaclty.  I had 2 machines side by side at my favorite casino.  That I almost always win on (i have plenty of w2 to prove it) and I noticed a couple of months ago they are both gone and replaced by 2 machines that used to be on the nickel progressive.  They both have the same games but now instead of them being nickel machines they are now like the old machines multi-dem .25, .50 $1 and the old machines just disappeared.  I could understand it more if they got new machines or new games.  But to replace 2 machines with the 2 other machines with the same games doesn't make much sense? I used to play TDB and could always count on one set of 2,3or4 with a kicker on $1 for 2k.  But now I just bounce around trying to find another good machine and my year is way down to date.
 
 
 
 

[ginxxxx]

[QUOTE=luigi1]
They can determine pay tables and around a year (usually) when they audit the machine for its take and profitability. If the machine has a propensity for jackpots  and the mgmt deems it unprofitable, they yank it.  That's how they can control payouts. I know they do this because I had a favorite machine that was very good to me, and one day...pffft...it was gone.  Replaced.    I do not believe I will ever get over the loss..sniff, sniff.
 
.Yep. I think I agree with you.  Sometimes when I locate a machine that likes me a lot, I make a note of the machine number, then...when I get to go back....it's not where I left it! I also agree with Shadow that the perception of winning ( and losing) is a work in progress. but for me right now. my perception is I have not had any winning sessions in a loooong time!
 
 
 
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[luigi1]

  It is my perception as well that I need a fur coat the last few times I have been to the casino, and not because they keep the AC so stinkin' low. 
I am ALL for a change in reality!!!