Dream Card Poker now in Vegas

[New2vp]

Pyiddy, thanks... I will pass this along and if it is an error it will be corrected shortly.
Webman, I've noticed several instances in which the Dream Card does not maximize EV at this site on different games.  I reported at least one here or via a pm when the game first came out.  After I saw a few more, I stopped keeping track and just went ahead and changed the card when I noticed these situations.Of course I don't know if the programming here is the same as in casinos, but I thought you might want to know that the Wizard of Odds posted comments about this (at http://wizardofodds.com/dreamcard) a couple days ago, citing videopoker.com as evidence that the Dream Card does not always work:
"There has been some debate about whether the best card is offered to
the player when he gets the Dream Card. I hope I can put this question
to rest by saying that sometimes the recommended card is WRONG, at
least at VideoPoker.com, which is owned by the same owners of Dream
Card, Action Gaming. Following are three screenshots from the 9/6 jacks
game at videopoker.com as examples.



In the game above I was offered the Qc, giving me three to a royal. It
would have been better to pick any jack or king for a high pair. Here
is the expected value of the suggested play and a correct play:


9e Jc Kc 4e Qc: 7.5902 coins
9e Jc Kc 4e J`: 7.6827 coins




In the game above I was offered the Qe, giving me a high pair. It would
have been much better to pick either the 5` or 6` for four to a
straight flush.


8` 4` Qc 7` Qe: 7.6827 coins
8` 4` Qc 7` 5`: 11.7021 coins



In the game above I was offered the Qe again, giving me a high pair. It
would have been much better to any spade, for a pat flush.


Q` 7` 3` 2` Qe: 7.6827 coins
Q` 7` 3` 2` A`: 30.0000 coins



The game usually does give correct advice, however."

[Webman]

Thanks for the continued notes on the game. I'll pass this info along and update you when I hear. I know we did a correction very early on in this game for certain game families. I think we fixed the one you sent, New2Vp, though I can't say for certain.I'll let you all know what I hear and thanks again for pointing these out.

[vidopoker]

Thanks for the continued notes on the game. I'll pass this info along and update you when I hear. I know we did a correction very early on in this game for certain game families. I think we fixed the one you sent, New2Vp, though I can't say for certain.

I'll let you all know what I hear and thanks again for pointing these out.

HEY WM:
I was just playing 10 play TDB Dream card and it dealt me 4 to the royal and then the 5th appeared (it made a cool noise like car zipping by at the speed of light). I thought it would be cool to take a picture of the screen to post it but it does not let you copy the page and then post the image. Is there another way to do that if it ever happens again or is that not allowed?
I know some computers have a way to take a snapshot but I couldn't figure it out.
Thnx!

[Lucky Larry]

[QUOTE=damule] LL,

     Played alot of Ultimate X on this trip as well and the results were mixed. Had gotten way up at the beginning with some monster hits, but as time went on the variance had it's way with me, lol.

damule,

Don't I know that feeling.

My biggest problem with Ultimate X is the variance. Plus our casino is bringing it in at 30 coin 25¢ minimum denomination. At $7.50/hand you would have to have a big roll to play through the streaks or be willing to lose a lot if it wasn't your lucky run early on.

Read the Wizard of Odds and Dancer articles, thanks for the heads up.

LL

[Tedlark]

Pyiddy - If the game doesn't give you a low card in the dream card spot can't you just change the dream card like I do?

[johnnylong]

Where does it say the dream card has to be the best for EV purposes? it looks from the new2vp examples and from my own experince from playing it here that whats usually given is a card that will make you a highpair winner. i like that, wont most people, and you can always change the dream card to anything you like.

[New2vp]

Where does it say the dream card has to be the best for EV purposes?In the game description at this site, for one place, shown below with key words emphasized in purple bold font.Dream Card Poker



This
game is enhanced with the newest buy-a-pay feature to hit poker: The
Dream Card™. A maximum bet increases the chances of winning a Dream
Card™. If the extra wager is placed and the feature awards it, optimal
autohold strategy is employed to pick the perfect card to complete the
dealt hand. Players are given the card yielding the highest expected
return. In other words, players can count on a 4-of-a-kind in place of
a 3-of-a-kind on the deal!Bob Dancer believes that the casino experience is different: "I've played the game
for many hours and I've never seen a case where the DC isn't perfect
--- or at least tied for being the best. (The Wizard of Odds, who has
played online rather than in a casino, has had a different experience.)"

[johnnylong]

[QUOTE=johnnylong]Where does it say the dream card has to be the best for EV purposes?

In the game description at this site, for one place, shown below with key words emphasized in purple bold font.


Dream Card Poker
This game is enhanced with the newest buy-a-pay feature to hit poker: The Dream Card™. A maximum bet increases the chances of winning a Dream Card™. If the extra wager is placed and the feature awards it, optimal autohold strategy is employed to pick the perfect card to complete the dealt hand. Players are given the card yielding the highest expected return. In other words, players can count on a 4-of-a-kind in place of a 3-of-a-kind on the deal!
Bob Dancer believes that the casino experience is different:
"I've played the game for many hours and I've never seen a case where the DC isn't perfect --- or at least tied for being the best. (The Wizard of Odds, who has played online rather than in a casino, has had a different experience.)"
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ive experienced the same problem here if thats what you want to call it. But does it really matter if you know what your doing? i know thats not the issue.
 
Do you know if those words you put in purple bold are required by the gaming authority for the games in the casinos? it seems to me thats whats important not the games here. Maybe here they want you to think a little more.

[New2vp]

ive experienced the same problem here if thats what you want to call it. But does it really matter if you know what your doing? i know thats not the issue.
 
Do you know if those words you put in purple bold are required by the gaming authority for the games in the casinos? it seems to me thats whats important not the games here. Maybe here they want you to think a little more.It doesn't matter to me what card Dream Poker selects.  You might note that I originally posted, "I...just went ahead and changed the card when I noticed these situations."  Actually, it gives an advantage to people who know a bit more for the card to sometimes be wrong.In my latest post, I was not indicating a preference.  I was just answering your question about a location indicating that the game intends to give the best card based on maximum EV.I have no idea how this was filed with gaming authorities or regulations thereof.  Apparently from Mr. Dancer's writings, the casino games operate differently than the games here anyway.  He may be wrong, though I  have no reason to disbelieve what he wrote at this point.  And the Wizard of Odds did not say he found any violations of this principle in the casinos, just at this site.My original post was intended to be helpful to vp.com.  Somewhere I think Webman has stated that they try to make the games here function as close to what would occur in a casino as possible.  So, I figured they would want to know if machines were operating differently in casinos.

[johnnylong]

[QUOTE=johnnylong]ive experienced the same problem here if thats what you want to call it. But does it really matter if you know what your doing? i know thats not the issue.
 
Do you know if those words you put in purple bold are required by the gaming authority for the games in the casinos? it seems to me thats whats important not the games here. Maybe here they want you to think a little more.

It doesn't matter to me what card Dream Poker selects.  You might note that I originally posted, "I...just went ahead and changed the card when I noticed these situations."  Actually, it gives an advantage to people who know a bit more for the card to sometimes be wrong.

In my latest post, I was not indicating a preference.  I was just answering your question about a location indicating that the game intends to give the best card based on maximum EV.

I have no idea how this was filed with gaming authorities or regulations thereof.  Apparently from Mr. Dancer's writings, the casino games operate differently than the games here anyway.  He may be wrong, though I  have no reason to disbelieve what he wrote at this point.  And the Wizard of Odds did not say he found any violations of this principle in the casinos, just at this site.

My original post was intended to be helpful to vp.com.  Somewhere I think Webman has stated that they try to make the games here function as close to what would occur in a casino as possible.  So, I figured they would want to know if machines were operating differently in casinos.
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The most important part of my post was the question about the gaming authority, which at least i would want to know the answer to before i sat down and played one of these things for real. Dont you feel funny not knowing that?