my findings
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Re: my findings
A sim isn't necessary to know that the CS system will lose less when it loses and win less when it wins over the course of each royal cycle. This is simply because the total coin in will be lower and most of the hands will be played against the inferior single coin pay table.What might be interesting is to see what the frequencies of max coin jackpots of various levels are since, according to FP, this is one of the features which is supposed to make CS fun to play for recreational players.
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I agree. I will note that too.
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How much are you starting with and at what point will you quit for the day? It would probably be good to know how often you are going home empty and how often you will keep your winnings.For example... I will play with $200, I will play 1000 hands unless I run out of money first. And if you would stop after a certain win amount, I'll need to know that too.
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It shouldn't matter to the math what you start or end with. After all, isn't VP all one long continuous game? I am very interested in comparing the two games and styles of play. When I play max coin quarters I am forced to play a 96.77% game. It is no trick at all the go through $100 an hour playing this game. If I don't hit at least one quad deuce or royal in a day, I can easily lose $400.When I play CS dollars I can play a 98.9% game and my money lasts much longer. If I hit just two max coin $1 wild royals, I win the equal of one max coin quarter quad deuce. Wild royals are much more common than quad deuces. If I hit a dollar single coin quad deuce I win $200 instead of $250, a $50 loss to play the better game. No big deal. If I get lucky and hit a max coin dollar quad deuce, I win the equal of a max coin quarter royal flush! One max coin dollar royal and I can play for six months for nothing!CS has worked for me for a long time. CS quarters is for players on a strict budget. That's not me. I play CS dollars because it pays me better than playing max coin quarters. It's that simple.
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My simulation has concluded that CS is an excellent strategy for FloridaPhil to employ as long as he goes back to telling people (such as stevel96a1) that it is in fact a losing strategy. In other words, those bigger wins you like getting more often at single coin dollars are all going to be paid back in, and then some.Stop feeding the dreams of people who think they can turn a negative game positive by scheming the system.
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[quote=Eduardo]Stop feeding the dreams of people who think they can turn a negative game positive by scheming the system.[/quote]I never said that. I have always said playing negative VP games is a loser. What I have said is CS allows a player to play more hands cheaper and puts that player in a better position to benefit from good luck. If some people on this forum including the experts would actually take the time to read what I have been saying, we won't have so much controversy.
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[quote=Eduardo]Stop feeding the dreams of people who think they can turn a negative game positive by scheming the system.I never said that. I have always said playing negative VP games is a loser. What I have said is CS allows a player to play more hands cheaper and puts that player in a better position to benefit from good luck. If some people on this forum including the experts would actually take the time to read what I have been saying, we won't have so much controversy.
[/QUOTE]You do say that, but then you also don't. The following statements are in conflict with that statement.[quote]CS is not about mathematical formulas and odds calculations. It's about
keeping your losses low so you can spend your lucky hands instead of
giving them back.[/quote]There is nothing that prevents you from giving your big hands back, or losing MORE than those big hands before you even hit one. If you agree that it's a losing strategy, how can you hope to SPEND your lucky hands instead of giving them back?[quote]CS cuts the investment required on the 90% of the hands you play at
single coin so you can keep 100% of the max coin premium hands.
[/quote]Same story. You only keep 100% of your premium hands if you paid nothing to get them and you quit forever.[quote] To me all wins are good as long as the net is positive and stays that way.[/quote]Again, you are talking about winning here, on a losing game. Your net will NOT stay positive!I
think your strategy is fine for what you intend to do with it. You just have to be careful that you
aren't misleading people in these ways. The above statements seem to imply you
are going to end up a winner.If you look at the way this thread started (and your lack of effort to correct the person who posted it) you can see why people might have a problem with it.
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Bob Dancer says to never play negative video poker games. Do you want everyone across America who does to give up the game? Where would we be then?When there are no more positive VP games will you quit playing? There is more enjoyment derived from playing video poker than profit making. Expecting to make a profit from a game designed as entertainment is distorting our prospective. I say play the game the way that gives you the most enjoyment. If you want to make a profit at something, get a career where you have half a chance of doing so. You have a better chance of being the next Tom Brady or Warren Buffett than the next Bob Dancer. It shouldn't take a simulation to figure that out.If you play negative VP games using CS and you end up a winner you got lucky. If you play only positive VP games and you end up a loser you got unlucky. Same cause, different effect.
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CS is the ultimate! You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it,
bake it, saute it. There's CS-kabobs, CS creole, CS gumbo.
Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple CS, lemon CS, coconut CS, pepper CS, CS soup, CS stew, CS
salad, CS and potatoes, CS burger, CS sandwich. That's about all you can say about CS, right? No, we probably have another few thousand posts including straw man arguments and misunderstandings.I think we can all understand why Phil thinks math is inferior to his perceptions of his own experiences when he doesn't understand that a computer program can simulate randomness. What does he think is simulating that same randomness on the video poker machines he has been playing?Phil, this has nothing to do with Bob Dancer. I think Eduardo tried to get you to understand that.
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[quote=New2VP]Phil, this has nothing to do with Bob Dancer. I think Eduardo tried to get you to understand that.[/quote]Agreed. I have said this many times before, but again no one bothers to read. When I mention Bob Dancer in my posts I am not talking about the person. The person who calls himself Bob Dancer is the developer of traditional math based VP strategy and the world's recognized expert on VP. You can not have an intelligent discussion about VP and leave him or his strategy out. I have nothing against the man. I don't know him and he doesn't know me. I am not the unmentionable person who wrote a book telling the world he is wrong. I own most all of his books, which I have read cover to cover numerous times, and three copies of his software. I think he is 100% right when it comes to the games he plays and how he plays them. He tells me not to play negative VP games and I know why. I play them anyway and accept responsibility. To get by and limit my the losses he told me I would have, I found a way to reduce them. Somehow I have been interpreted as a rival of some kind. That is totally ridiculous. I play VP for entertainment. He plays VP for profit. Our strategies are different because our end goal is different. What else do you want me to say?If it is possible to write a computer program that simulates randomness, what would it tell you? It would tell you there is some possibility of every result. It's true you may find one result more probable than the next, but any result is randomly possible. Is it possible a video poker machine will never spit out a royal in it's working lifespan? What if that machine is the one you play all the time? There will always some element of chance in video poker. Will you be here tomorrow? Mr. Dancer doesn't know and I don't either.