The "Greed Chip" strikes again

[FAA]

First, because AC business continues to plummet its obvious NO ONE IS raking in anything-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------To be fair, the marina casinos are doing swell and continue to buck the odds.

[DaBurglar]

First, because AC business continues to plummet its obvious NO ONE IS raking in anything-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------To be fair, the marina casinos are doing swell and continue to buck the odds.

Yes, you are (more or less) correct in this statement, and when i speak of AC's overall dismal fortunes, I am of course speaking in the larger scope of things, namely the trend over the past 7-8 years, since 2007 of course......Just focusing on recent history, the last 6-9 months, with the shuttering of four MAJOR casinos in 2014 reducing the number from 12 to 8, obviously there was a temporary, artificial "jolt" in a positive direction to the remaining eight casinos' numbers as they scooped up the collateral overflow from the customer base of the four shuttered casinos.....but this does not represent NEW or increased business for AC as a whole.

[FAA]

Absolutely. I just chimed in because you capped no one. I will tour the new Bass fishing mecca next time if I bypass the promising but grinding Cheap System. I sure as hell won't extend my bust streak into July. 

[DaBurglar]

Absolutely. I just chimed in because you capped no one. I will tour the new Bass fishing mecca next time if I bypass the promising but grinding Cheap System. I sure as hell won't extend my bust streak into July. 

Bass??    AC is known for BASS?!?!?!     Man, learn something new everyday.....

[Carcounter]

Bass Pro Shops store at the outlets. Borgata has 10x slot dollars today if anyone is interested.

[FAA]

Hardly. But surely that new mega fishing store must contain something of interest. Thanks, Car. DB must have overlooked it, though I don't see how anybody entering town can miss it!

[spxChrome]

Well I only report what I have experienced personally for the past 20 years. I play around 1.2 million hands a year so its pretty easy to spot a variance. Especially since I document my sessions.

I just want to clarify that I don't believe casinos are cheating but I do believe they have found a loophole and have requested that loophole into these new chips. Why else did they start replacing chips into these old machines with no other adjustments like a paytable adjustments? I don't think its inconceivable that the people that wrote the regulations may not know the difference between JOB or TDB, 1 credit or max credit, pre-draw or post draw.   Even the regulations state that the game should be played the way a "live game" is played which is not the case because when I play 5 card draw the dealer isn't constantly shuffling the cards while I figure out what to discard.

Ever try to ask IGT directly how a VP chip works? You get nothing from them because I bet only a handful of people really know. And if they can keep the members of a television series from revealing a season finale what kind of non-disclosure do you think an IGT programmer signs. If it is so regulated then there should no company secrets revealed, why not just make it public record and release the audit test.

[Vman96]

Even the regulations state that the game should be played the way a "live game" is played which is not the case because when I play 5 card draw the dealer isn't constantly shuffling the cards while I figure out what to discard.



Live game correlation doesn't mean that all mechanisms need to be exactly the same as live game play. Basically if a VP machine yields the expected long term results that a standard random deck of cards would, then they are "correlated". And to be honest, if I see a table game dealer actually have to shuffle entirely by hand, I wonder...what kind of cheap casino am I in??

[FAA]

I had to experience a no quads in 800+ hands session to write off a machine for good. Watch, somebody will hit a royal while I'm on the adjacent one next week. 

[onemoretry]

I had to experience a no quads in 800+ hands session to write off a machine for good.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but, to go 800 hands without a quad is not really very unusual.

There's about a 15% chance that your next 800 hands will be quadless.