This is BullSheeet

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DaBurglar
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Re: This is BullSheeet

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don't feel bad for me;i obliviously do a lot better than you at video poker in AC or VEGAS.i have the tax forms to prove it.Oh, well then, my mistake.....congrats on all your success in AC.    That's wonderful.....What have you won at?   Which casino and which specific games?    I'd really appreciate knowing, maybe I am missing something......If you blott out any personal info, can you post copies of your tax forms?   Thanks.

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Too funny DaBurglar.

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i don't have to prove anything to you or anyone else.anyone who knows me,knows i do not lie.i have hit at the caesars properties and borgata this year.maybe you should try playing here,you just might learn something.

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Post by Tedlark »

DaBurglar, by his own admission, doesn't even play here on this site. So why be here?

I'd like to see hismembership payment receipt from videopoker.com. Minus all the personal information of course...

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i don't have to prove anything to you or anyone else.anyone who knows me,knows i do not lie.i have hit at the caesars properties and borgata this year.maybe you should try playing here,you just might learn something.HOW do they know you do not lie?   seriously, what's the methodology on that?    Polygraph?    Observing your pants to see if they catch fire?   Holding a ruler to your nose and counting off the increments?    How do they do it?  What?  Hmmm?  Huh?Newsflash.....there is nothing to learn anymore at video poker.....it is not rocket science, and in fact it is a very basic, limited game, much easier than most computer games, and certainly a breeze compared to my other game, chess.    ALL video poker is (unless you are Bob dancer) is picking the best paytables, and knowing the proper holds (which nowadays you do not even have to memorize, just utilize an app or even a cheat sheet.)   But I play it safe and utilize my superb memory......so I hate to say it but there is nothing to learn here for me.....Your hits at Borgata and Caesars, whatever they were, were the result of split millisecond timing, nothing else

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the more you post the more you sound like some stupid little 8 year old.all you can do is disbelieve any of us who do actually win at video poker.if your claiming it's all timing i guess yours is way off.now leave me the hell alone i have better things to do than defend myself to the likes of you.

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the more you post the more you sound like some stupid little 8 year old.all you can do is disbelieve any of us who do actually win at video poker.if your claiming it's all timing i guess yours is way off.now leave me the hell alone i have better things to do than defend myself to the likes of you.I never said "no body ever wins", I just maintain that, in AC, almost everyone I have seen or know DO not come out ahead in the end.   Oh sure, everyone can hit a good hand every now and then, but not in the Lonnnnnng runnnnnn......DORIS!!!    If I promised to always be nice and respectful from now on (not that I pretty much haven't already), would you ALLOW me to continue to post here and be a member of this forum?PLEASE?!?!?    I'm begging you......PLEASE??!?    Don't take away my only form of socializing and outlet to the world!>!>!    I promise I will only make fawning, feckless, uncontroversial, and lukewarm posts that portray you as the greatest video poker player of all time.......What say you to that?  DEAL?!?!?

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Post by jetermacaw »

Now I'm confused "nobody wins in the long run", in your mind what quantifies as a long run, month, year , 5 years. We all know NO one wins in the "long" run in ANY gambling venue. If at the end of a calendar year if I have more money in my gambling jar then when I started I won, period. And that's without  adding in comps, food, booze give a ways etc. I'll send you a picture of the cash at the end of the year as proof! LOL.


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Now I'm confused "nobody wins in the long run", in your mind what quantifies as a long run, month, year , 5 years. We all know NO one wins in the "long" run in ANY gambling venue. If at the end of a calendar year if I have more money in my gambling jar then when I started I won, period. And that's without  adding in comps, food, booze give a ways etc. I'll send you a picture of the cash at the end of the year as proof! LOL.

Great.....this is turning into a typical "Semantics Festival".....I am NOT stating ANYTHING that anyone can or should take as a FINAL EMPHATIC summation of what Video Poker entails in the long run......I am just responding to Doris' total distortion of what I originally said or meant, and even YOU Jeter (as smart as you are) knows this......I have stated MANY times my OPINION (and perception based upon my own personal play and results, as well as input from MANY MANY other people) that Atlantic City is extremely "different:" than Nevada in terms of its Video poker results, practice and structure.    No where do I say that "NOBODY ever hits anything", nor do I specifically state that it is impossible to win in the short term (again, defining short term is 100% subjective and fruitless, but for arguments sake, lets define it as something like "a month or two" or less)......Even a Video Poker machine that is set up to spew out a excessive amount of "dud" hands (nonpaying) that goes way above the statistical "norm" pf 55% will obviously still spew out the odd Royal or four of a kind, etc etc etc.   If someone like Doris, or YOU....or even ME happens to be the one hitting the button at that point in time, Bully for us!    Does not prove or disprove anything, in and of itself,But what I personally am basing my entire view on is the 6 plus years now that I have played in AC whereby my results essentially (and consistently) remain the same, which is horrible!  Given that I have taken the last year "off" and only played about 1/3 or even 1/4 the amount of what my previous 5 to 5-1/2 years entailed, the past visit (last week spanning about 6 days total) indicated things have become EVEN WORSE at places like Caesars and now even places I used to think were still "ok", like Golden Nugget and even Borgata.There is no longer any real oversight of the remaining 8 casinos in AC, by the NJ gaming commission.    I have indeed asked around (many times, many people, asking a different form of the same question to see if I essentially get the same response):   Over the past 2 plus years especially, there are hardly anymore on site spot inspections of operations in the AC casinos.   The inmates are literally running the asylum.   The office on Tennessee avenue appears closed a lot of the time (used to keep regular hours, which I believe is a requirement of their own regs)....maybe the people inside are so overwhelmed they are hiding and giving the impression "no one is home", I dunno.....the "State police" are certainly not up to the task of actually doing the finer points of casino oversight.What little actual oversight involving actual visits to the AC casinos seems entirely focused on things like keeping underage people from gambling (or especially DRINKING & being served alcohol) and things like making sure that people on the "Excluded list" (both self exclusion and forced bans) do not gamble.....the Press of AC has made it a HUGE deal to publish stories involving anytime one of the casinos is fined or nailed for serving "kids", or allowing gambling addicts to indulge their disease (of course, the actual PERSON  seems to bear NO personal responsibility in the matter, it is ALL the casino's fault & responsibility!   yeeeesh!)    I've asked specifically when were certain machines last "checked" by the NJ commission, and get nothing but shrugs!     I've asked at Caesars "when (or how) does the Gaming commission ensure the SERVER is functioning properly?  what does that process involve?  Can I see the last report card (which any of us is entitled to see)?"      Again, nothing but deer in the headlights responses.....none of this should be difficult or a mystery, or......???   It is ridiculous, and of course, the backdrop to all this is my continued (and OTHER peoples') receiving statistically ABERRATIONAL results on many different video poker games.AND do not  try and tell me that these companies have no incentive to screw with the games to yield greater "holds" (i.e. PROFITS) for themselves on a daily/weekly /monthly basis.   Do not tell me that CAsinos are run by people with integrity, or that they are full of integrity because of the "nature" of the business (i.e. The arduous Regulatory nature of Casino Businesses, which I have already shown is LACKING in new jersey in the current circumstances)....nor is the so-called  "ABSENCE of whistle blowers" proof of anything,,,,,..these are absurd basis for belief in any conclusion.       The last 15-20 years in corporate America has shown that NO one can be trusted without the benefit of consistent and thorough regulation and follow through.     This has been shown time and again in NUMEROUS industries and Business, and the casino business is no exception.It is naive to think (or flat out assume) that even the largest most well known casino organization(s)  can be 100% fully trusted and would never ever pull any crap that might boost short term (or even long term) revenue and profitability, especially if the prospect of getting away with it is good, or IF the potential liability (i.e. PUNISHMENT) is  likely to be tolerable, and the calculated risk of engaging in the illicit behavior is sufficiently in favor of the casino.   Plus, there is always the potential of rogue employees, or cliques of employees, who determine a way to benefit their own pockets by screwing with casino operations, and in AC's case, the current lack of detailed on-the-floor oversight makes this even more possible today than ever......One of the most HIGHLY regulated and controlled industries in the WORLD (and especially in the USA) is the automotive industry, and in particular the various environmental aspects of the Auto industry as it relates to production, sales & marketing......FOR MANY MANY years it now seems that the "clever" Germans over at Volkswagen ("people's car") found a neat way to circumvent an extremely well intentioned and important law applicable to VW cars bought, sold and operated in the USA.....with the obvious motive being $$$$$$$ .... now think about this, because it EXPOSES all the faulty reasoning that everyone here employs to convince themselves of the integrity of casinos, and how they could NEVER EVER EVER EVER possibly do or engage in anything that would be unfair to the players, OR that would damage a casinos' integrity, OR that would NOT be caught and corrected IMMEDIATELY by the super vigilant and zealous regulatory bodies responsible for the gaming industry.Also consider this:   Anyone notice the extreme proliferation of rhe various class action lawsuits being waged by various groups, against pharmaceutical and medical device manufactureres these days??   Notice the obnoxious, unending ADVERTISEMENTS on TV telling people if they, or someone they know, took such & such  Drug during this time period they might have been exposed, or subject to a variety of problems or ill-effect??    There are a RECORD number of these things happening right now......so ask yourselves, where was the FDA (and many other watchdogs) BEFORE many of these things came to market....?   This is not mere coincidence or the inevitable result of excessively litigous lawyers, ro sheer bad luck......in order for these class action lawsuits to qualify and proceed, the defending company MUST HAVE done something really bad (or failed to prevent something really  bad)  in order for their product to be held liable and to have caused the damage alleged.   In other words, these "Integrity filled companies" (like drug makers, medical device makers  etc)  somewhere along the line made a conscious decision to roll the dice (no pun) and ignore their own negative findings or warnings, and market the product anyway....Or they were incompetent.     AND somewhere along the line, the FDA and the MANY other regulatory and watchdog organizations (the equivalent of the GAMING commissions in each state)  either missed it, dismissed it or made some conscious decision (a payoff perhaps?  somone in the FDA promised a cushy private sector job to look the other way?)I'm just saying, in this day and AGE, ANYTHING is possible (even likely in many cases) and that conditions in AC are ripe for the actual activity I suspect MIGHT.....MIGHT   be taking place at least on a limited scale.   Somehow, for some reason, in some way,  MANY AC video poker machines/games (of all types and denominations)  are NOT doing what they are supposed to be doing.

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Just guessing, but I take it no one showed up at the meet and greet for lunch/dinner/show?

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