Someone please explain

[ko king]

[QUOTE=ko king] If you're supposed to see that hand every 23 times on average and you're actually getting it every 18 it makes sense that it would increase the chances of hitting a royal or straight flush.
I've read this sentence over and over, but can make no sense of it.

How can being dealt more four flushes than the predicted statistical average "increase the chances of hitting a royal or straight flush"? If anything, shouldn't it decrease the chances, since you do not draw for royals or straight flushes with those hands?[/QUOTE]

No, no, what I see at that casino is I get 4 cards of the same suit off the deal that the average amount. In other words I only need 1 more card of the same suit to complete the flush. How in the world would that decrease my chances of seeing more royals and straight flushes? I just read your sentence over and over, but can make no sense of it.

[Eduardo]

It would increase your number of royals if you were getting dealt 4 to the royal more often. But if your 4 to the flush deals contain suited cards that are not TJQKA, then you might get fewer royals because you would be holding cards that make it impossible to get a royal, going for the flush or non-royal straight flush. No matter how hard you try, you won't get a royal keeping a suited 9.

So maybe you are saying you don't hold all 4, and more often you might get 3 to the royal among the cards, etc. Then yes, I guess maybe you might get more royals if you were dealt 4 to a flush more often. I don't really know how to calculate that. Are you assuming a fair distribution of face cards in the midst of a supposed unfair distribution of flush cards?

But considering I doubt this is a real trend and anything but typical feelings we all experience from time to time based on random patterns, it doesn't do much good to analyze any further. You can figure out the odds of hitting a royal or the total EV based on what you hold. What you do with that information is up to you.

As for whether you are actually getting 4 to the flush more often than you should, that's entirely possible over a short amount of play. If you are talking millions of hands, then I would question the record keeping of the events before I question the machines. But that's just me. You are entitled to your own opinion.

[ko king]

It would increase your number of royals if you were getting dealt 4 to the royal more often. But if your 4 to the flush deals contain suited cards that are not TJQKA, then you might get fewer royals because you would be holding cards that make it impossible to get a royal, going for the flush or non-royal straight flush. No matter how hard you try, you won't get a royal keeping a suited 9.

So maybe you are saying you don't hold all 4, and more often you might get 3 to the royal among the cards, etc. Then yes, I guess maybe you might get more royals if you were dealt 4 to a flush more often. I don't really know how to calculate that. Are you assuming a fair distribution of face cards in the midst of a supposed unfair distribution of flush cards?

But considering I doubt this is a real trend and anything but typical feelings we all experience from time to time based on random patterns, it doesn't do much good to analyze any further. You can figure out the odds of hitting a royal or the total EV based on what you hold. What you do with that information is up to you.

As for whether you are actually getting 4 to the flush more often than you should, that's entirely possible over a short amount of play. If you are talking millions of hands, then I would question the record keeping of the events before I question the machines. But that's just me. You are entitled to your own opinion.

To really understand completely one would have to spend a lot of time playing there, I spent around 6 years and I probably did end up playing millions of hands. Here's the facts, I spent 20 years playing elsewhere the royal flush wasn't a common hand to see, neither was a straight flush. I hit well below the average for royal and straight flushes during that 20 year run, I didn't see too many other folks hitting them there either. I survived off all the other premium hands. When I first started playing at the other casino it took no time at all to see that for some reason I was seeing more shots at royals and straight flushes. I hit more royals and straight flushes at that casino during than I did playing a other casinos for 20 years. I also saw more royals hit in one years time there than I did during the 20 years of play at other casinos. During the 20 years of playing at other casinos I never hit a dealt royal, never, I have hit 5 I believe at the other casino and seen several others. There's no denying that it happens there, frequent players at that casino know it also. I just took a brief period of time to try and understand how and why it happens and the 4 to the flush off the deal stuck out. Simply put if you never were dealt four to the flush would the chances of hitting a royal or straight flush go up or down. I know most of my royal and straight flushes come from needing one card to complete. It's not a big deal, I just know I get more opportunities to hit a royal there and that's a good thing.

[onemoretry]

No, no, what I see at that casino is I get 4 cards of the same suit off the deal that the average amount. In other words I only need 1 more card of the same suit to complete the flush

If my use of the term "four flush" instead of four to the flush caused confusion, I apologize.

I still do not understand the rationale for thinking that being dealt more than the normal number of these four to the flush hands could lead to more royals and straight flushes.

[ko king]

[QUOTE=ko king]
No, no, what I see at that casino is I get 4 cards of the same suit off the deal that the average amount. In other words I only need 1 more card of the same suit to complete the flush

If my use of the term "four flush" instead of four to the flush caused confusion, I apologize.

I still do not understand the rationale for thinking that being dealt more than the normal number of these four to the flush hands could lead to more royals and straight flushes.[/QUOTE]

If you never received 4 to the flush off the deal would the odds go up or down of you hitting royal?

[onemoretry]

If you never received 4 to the flush off the deal would the odds go up or down of you hitting royal?
Well, to me, logic suggests that if you're not being dealt four to the flush hands, you are being dealt something else.

"Something else" would include hands with royal potential. The odds of hitting a royal with these hands would be unchanged, but, to me, more hands with royal potential translates to more royals.

[Eduardo]

If you never received 4 to the flush off the deal would the odds go up or down of you hitting royal?

If you were dealt 2,4,6,8 of clubs 100% of the time (4 to the flush), would your odds go up or down of you hitting royal?

[spxChrome]

Just play 100 play its much easier for that kind of math . You get about 18 flushes on a 4 flush deal.    Now when you talk about premium hands then its different. Example my last trip I got dealt trip aces 5 times. That 500 draws at converting, how many converted 1. Flip the coin and get dealt trip queens or eights how many do I convert usually always 4 to 6. Its just all random though just funny how it is never the other way around after hundreds of trips.

[ko king]

[QUOTE=ko king]
If you never received 4 to the flush off the deal would the odds go up or down of you hitting royal?
Well, to me, logic suggests that if you're not being dealt four to the flush hands, you are being dealt something else.

"Something else" would include hands with royal potential. The odds of hitting a royal with these hands would be unchanged, but, to me, more hands with royal potential translates to more royals.
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I give up.

[onemoretry]

I give up.
Probably a good idea.