Recreational Money Management

[billryan]

DB, you are very mistaken about Dancer and almost every AP.
They share, and will happily share with someone who also has something of value to share. Have something to trade and many doors will open.

[DaBurglar]

DB, you are very mistaken about Dancer and almost every AP.
They share, and will happily share with someone who also has something of value to share. Have something to trade and many doors will open.Ok.....honestly the only "APs" (or Pro Gamblers) that I know WELL are 3 individuals total who I am at least good friends with, an admittedly small sampling out of the total nationwide population of APs, but what exactly would I be missing?  And Trade?  Trade what?   What would I actually trade with Bob Dancer, and what would I be getting?  These Inside secrets he asserted he knows and stated specifically that he DOES NOT SHARE.....Bob never said anything about "trading:"?How would, or how DOES this trading work exactly, comprising stuff that individual people KNOW?  The only way to trade such things, as I see it, is to flat out divulge to the other person what it is you know and hope they have something at least as good.....but how do you do that without divulging what you know before knowing what THEY KNOW????That's not gonna work.....that's why I am friends with the few people I know that are legit, actual PRO gamblers.....people either will help you or they won't, and they don't keep score or tabs on it.....I guess I am gregarious enough that they do so, my company friendship, knowledge, generosity (buying my share of meals essentially when they get sick of eating IN the casino, where they essentially eat for free) makes me a desirable companion at times for these guys who essentially live at specific Casinos in AC (and/or Foxwoods & Mohegan Sun in Connecticut.)    None of the APs/Pros I know specialize in Video Poker, their games of choice are card games (poker and Blackjack, with a little craps too.)Video Poker is conceptually/intellectually EASY....if you are adept at math and have a good memory that is.....Bob Dancer, and those like him, are instilled with a burning desire to do what they do, a willingness to do the drudge work and all the unglamorous , boring stuff the rest of us are turned off by.   The majority of casino giveaways (products, trinkets etc) I find completely undesirable or useless, yet that is one example or component of what people like Bob, and others, gobble up and use to gauge their "profit".....no thanks, I don;t care about free waffle makers unless I specifically know my Mother needs one RIGHT NOW and my trip to the casino is nearer than just sending my assistant down to the store.I'm not knocking anyone who truly WANTS and ENJOYS doing what you yourself, or Bob Dancer does.....but just because someone else does not want to do it is not a negative or defect on that person, it does not mean they are "Stupid".

[DaBurglar]

I've met "Bob" and went to a South Point class. Since this is the Recreational Forum, we can talk about your points above. You way over estimate his "inside information" but you are spot on with his demeanor.

Stuff that he posts is intended to be divisive and inflammatory. Bad publicity is better than none.

I don't know how many forums you read, but take a look at this thread from elsewhere, all commenting on a recent column he wrote, where he mocks folks HERE.
Thank goodness I have never posted photos of my jackpots, ha ha ha.
Here it is, enjoy reading, and it does have the link to his recent column (because bad publicity is better than none):

https://vegasfanatics.com/index.php?thr ... lumn.4163/

Oops, apparently you can't click on above, may need to cut and paste it. SorryWow....ok that changes a lot for me, reading that post you linked (and thank you by the way.....you were intuitive in regards to ME, this forum is really the only forum I bother with.)    That link you offered is just mindboggling, that Bob is actually that callous to compare (or to ATTEMPT to draw some correlation) between certain mathematically inferior Hail MAry Royal Attempts to......HEROIN ADDICTION?!?!?!?!    wtf  Other aspects of That specific column by Bob actually have good points and useful info, but the TONE, combined with that ABSURD and PATHETIC (sick even) analogy regarding Heroin Addiction and it being all about "Discipline: when any intelligent, socially aware, scientifically knowledgeable and sophisticated person now KNOWS its a friggin DISEASE just like Diabetes, Cancer etc ......well again I'm aghast.I'll give anyone the benefit of several doubts until they truly prove to me they don't deserve it.....until or if I ever meet Bob in person and assess him personally I'll hold out hope that this absurd column is just his intentional schtick and NOT his real true personality.But I do know, in many many cases, people whose lives revolve around casinos and gambling tend to be miserable, rotten, scheming, cruel, morally bankrupt people.....its the true nature of the business, parasitic.   Casinos are nice to visit once in a while....if you go more than once a week though (which is bordeline too much imho) its unhealthy.The fact that they STILL have not found any Obvious glaring motive to Stephen Paddock's sick sick actions in perpetrating the Las Vegas Massacre, now confirms in my mind, that the guy was just a selfish sociopathic Gambling Addict who was pissed off that he had been LOSING BIG lately and just concocted the ultimate tantrum.   His exhaustive autopsy is complete and they even analyzed the guy's brain at Stanford and found NOTHING to explain his actions.   Therefore, regarding that column, I think perhaps someone who dares to assert Heroin Addiction into a column like that may be projecting, or subconsciously confessing......maybe he is himself a gambling addict (which is also a type of DISEASE).

[Vman96]

Yeah the "heroin" comparison really sickened me. It's pretty insulting to anyone actually addicted to heroin, imo.   I am "tringlomane" in that thread, btw.

[FloridaPhil]

I stated previously that I wouldn't mention Bob Dancer or Bill Ryan again on this forum if they accepted my proposal.  I haven't had a response, so I assume it was denied.  My offer still stands, but it must be accepted by all parties.  If I am to remain bared from the Strategy Forum, it's only fair if it works both ways.I would like to give Bob Dancer credit for the following positive accomplishments.    He has helped me keep more of my money.    He made me more aware of comps and the benefit of maximizing them.    He provided me with software and documentation to identify the best VP games and utilize computer perfect VP play.Even a player who plays disadvantaged games like me benefits greatly from this. From my perspective, here are the negatives.    He mocks players that don't have his advantages, calling them stupid or stating they are paying his bills.    He comes across on this forum as insensitive and elitist.    He doesn't answer questions if he thinks you will disagree with him or if he feels answering your question has no value to him personally.I don't believe Bob the person is like this at all.  I think he somehow believes this conduct goes part and parcel with his pseudo name.   Mr. Trump has the identical flaw.  He is obviously a smart guy and great business person.  He just can't resist those childish Tweets and it makes him come across like a fifth grader with an IQ of 50.I am not calling out Bob Dancer in this post.  I want this forum to be a better place and I think an attitude reset for all members would be beneficial.It doesn't matter if you believe Advantaged VP play contributes to Mr. Dancer's lifestyle.  We all agree it benefits players and we should give Bob credit for his positive contributions.You can not win converts with insults. You must use patience, logic, understanding and back up your claims with verifiable documentation.   If we can't play positive games perfectly, don't call us names.  Show us the benefits of using your strategy to cut the house edge.   We are not the enemy.  We want your strategy to work even if it means we can't all be APs.

[Carcounter]

I'm sure there are still advantage plays in Las Vegas, not as good as in the past, but still there. Prior to the great recession, there were positive plays in AC as well. I only played once a week for 3-4 hours, but had positive years 80% of the time. There are still some positive games in AC, but only for quarters as far as I know.25 Double Jokers at Caesars with a progressive royal that resets at 2k. Base game is 99.91% at reset. Also the 5 Jokers at the Trop. Progressive for 5 Jokers sometimes get close to 5k. Hard to get on these machines and not a great environment, so I stick with the 99.69% SDB in non-smoking at Borgata. I have been no more than plus or minus 2-3k a year for most of the last 10 years. Had one plus 10k and one minus 10k years as well. Comfortable playing these games with about a 5k bankroll most of the time at the .50 level.

[FloridaPhil]

The best Deuces Wild game in the Southeast is 98.9%. It's very hard to find this game in less than dollar play.   The Hollywood Hard Rock still has this game on two machines in quarters. Both machines are practically always taken.  You can play this game in Tampa starting at 50 cents, at least for now.  These games still have a little over 1% house advantage with perfect play.  The comps are limited to in-house credit.At one time, the Beau Rivage had 9/6 Jacks.  When I first started playing VP I played 9/6 max coin dollars and I did well.  The biggest day I ever had was playing this game.  Today, you are lucky to find 8/5 Jacks anywhere with 7/5 being most common.  There is no use crying over something you can't control.  We play what we have, but we play differently.  Small and slow is the game plan with low cash out limits.  I take a lot of bathroom breaks.   After the smoke clears, it costs us about $5,000 a year to play VP.  Some years are better, some worse.   Add in 20 or so free rooms plus a little free food and it's not at all bad.   I have no doubt some players make big bucks playing VP in Vegas.  I know we don't.

[New2vp]

I stated previously that I wouldn't mention Bob Dancer or Bill Ryan again on this forum if they accepted my proposal.  I haven't had a response, so I assume it was denied.  My offer still stands, but it must be accepted by all parties.  If I am to remain bared from the Strategy Forum, it's only fair if it works both ways.Ok, I get it.  You think Bob and Bill should respond to your request here.  And if they don't accept your offer, it is ok for you to go back on your agreement with Webman.  Makes perfect sense.

Bob Dancer has nothing worthwhile to add to any Recreational VP discussion.  Ok, so you don't think Bob should post in the Recreational Play area.  Got it.He mocks players that don't have his advantages, calling them stupid or stating they are paying his bills.    He comes across on this forum as insensitive and elitist.   
He doesn't answer questions if he thinks you will disagree with him or
if he feels answering your question has no value to him personally.I
don't believe Bob the person is like this at all.  I think he somehow
believes this conduct goes part and parcel with his pseudo name.   Mr.
Trump has the identical flaw.  He is obviously a smart guy and great
business person.  He just can't resist those childish Tweets and it
makes him come across like a fifth grader with an IQ of 50.So, this is how you offer an olive branch.  I get it.  Seems fair.  And might as well take a shot at President Trump, too.  I recall it is not ok for Bob to explain that it is better to have two income streams by using a sports metaphor.  So political metaphors are ok.  I get it.  And you are fairly expert at estimating others' IQs.  Check.  Still checking the post for the shots that Bob took at you here.  I'm sure they are here somewhere.
I
am not calling out Bob Dancer in this post.  I want this forum to be a
better place and I think an attitude reset for all members would be
beneficial.Ok, I get it.  It is ok for you to point out what you see as flaws, but you would not want to be educated by any response.  Seems fair.  Last word should always belong to you.  Of course.  And he should either post here or he shouldn't, but either way he would be doing something wrong based on your earlier writings.  It's amazing how he's always doing the wrong thing!I am not on this forum to dispute anyone or anything.  I am here to talk about what happens when I play and that's what I do.Yep, that's abundantly clear from every word of every post you have ever made.  It is so clear, it bears repeating.  You would never think of disparaging others or their points of view.  You have always been the victim here.  Anyone see that?  I mean, anyone can see that, for sure!!  My fault, I must have missed the part of this post that talks about how you play.I wonder ... does it ever seem like you're arguing with yourself?  What would it be like if that stopped?  I think Eduardo might have given you some good advice, paraphrasing below.


Phil, ... If
you could write it out ... without any
hyperbole discussion about bob dancer, math, luck or anything else, it
would be good.

[billryan]

What a waste it is, to lose ones mind.
   

[DougJ]

Yeah the "heroin" comparison really sickened me. It's pretty insulting to anyone actually addicted to heroin, imo.   I am "tringlomane" in that thread, btw.

I would never have guessed you are Tring!!

I'm on that forum . . . and it is way more interesting, informative and fun.

The heroin comparison in Dancer's column was offensive, but so is the well-known fact that he intentionally trolls forums and mocks 99.9 % of players . . . yet, he wants people to buy his stuff.