Merry Christmas everyone, except oej719!

[johnnylong]

Also, words are not more important than numbers when it comes to betting. I hope you are kidding. If someone told you that you could win at roulette by betting on the numbre 17 every time and just doubling your bet every spin until you win, would you go and do it, or would you want to see how the odds line up on that bet?
 
It is the most important thing. He tells people that they can win by using his approach. Well, people have shown detailed calculations about why his approaches do not end up better and often worse than an ap approach. If you have not seen those you have not seen new2vp and shadomans responses over time. Every time these numbers were shown there was no argument with better numbers. Just angry mean words.
 
well, if words are all you need then you are his type. hope that works out for you. but since words are so important then you should also understand why his words hurt so much. you can not have it both ways. i am not showing formulas about my level of hurt feelings. i do not need to express that with numbers. 1+1 = two and one is the lonliest number but hurting is sometimes more like a bell curve. and he has me right at the middle, maybe a little to the right just short of average return on hurt feelings but over the curve and trying to put it past me. if you were to graph my feelings right now i would probably be negative below the axis. that is not a good place to be. if you were to multiply him by me you would end up a calculator error because you would only have one rational number. ERR it says. I tried it. And that is why it hurts so so much. I hope this makes it make more sense. A + B time A + B is not 2A plus 2B. it has an "A squared" in it and hearts are not square.
 
Once again eduardo i dont care about what he says about vp yet because we are not in the casino until jan. i know i lose the way i play thats all. if he says his way is better and shadow and new2vp sucessfully disput it then they dont seem so comforted by that here now do they. if they did theyd let it rest and not go nuts whenever his name is brought up. Bask in the victory if they feel theyve won, but none of you can do that and thats why he's forever in your heads & holds the perfect edge on you all until you just LET IT GO. i havent read any of the math arguments and i wouldnt understand it anyway.
 
As i said, my beef here isnt over vp or numbers its over the namecalling of me just because i met him and the incredibal amount of lying , jealusy and hate going on over it. im the cause of igniting it i guess but shouldnt you guys know better being longtime posters? im flabergasted over the amount of time you all have for this, doesn't any of you have familys?

[Eduardo]

How about you fire a question at him on why hes stuck in such a dark place all the time and why hes the most jealus person ever seen. 
 


yeah oej, why yous stuck in such a dark place all the time and why yous the most jealus person ever seen any way?

[johnnylong]

Eduardo answered your "tough" question.  See below for your fair response.  Well, in fairness, I am compelled to rate it as a touch below fair.
i dont know how to format the response like you did new but heres the answers. No ones answered the tough questions ive asked including eduardo. it mostly has to do with proof of the countles acusations made that diecrtly contradit what i know and saw in person. "he" doesnt smell or have stink breath, he hardly drinks, hes a decent person, he has a harly not some scooter, and hes HARDLY broke, and he told me yesterday why he quit his paper writing and it was of course making a liar again out of the problem child. How many times have i asked to see where these people get these things and they just wont say because they cant, so they shouldnt say them in the first place and its all out of insane jealusy. im not some wimp and i fire back, but all they do is hide. Maybe you can give them a new 2 vp bailout.
I said mr. beans because he brought it up in a stupid way so i threw it right back at him. i hope he is not sitting in the corner crying.

Read more new 2. ive been reading this site for a while before joining. Your doing what the others do and when you get stuck in a corner you throw out another false acusation you cant back up or did the necesary fact checking to keep you from looking like youre speaking out of frustration. 
Now your really behind in your reading. i told eduardo the entire meeting him thing, how and why. You just dont like it. Theres more important things than vid pok and to he and i one of them is musle cars. Thats how and why we first talked briefly and we met up at his home later on. From your tone you dont like that either. all you are is another jealus poster who hes probably trounced on more than once.

Your best bet would be TO MOVE ON ANDGET OVER HIM.
 
Want to know what my best bet is? i was going to leave until your admin. showed me why i shouldnt. i post in other threds which few of oej and his posse do and i just recently arived. i play the games because i like to try the newest here before going to nevada. You just dont like that i dont take your or anyones crap and i tell what i see and know. All you people do is lie, acuse, duck the tough questions and go into hate rages.
 
Again mr. new, i dont give 2 craps what eduardos numbers can or cannot prove. i dont like being called names and a liar and i stand up for what i know to be true verses what the jealus haters would try to impose as the truth. it doesnt matter to me whether you and eduardo is right or wrong or i am right or wrong about vid pok methods. Respect & decency comes way before any of that in my book.

[johnnylong]

When I noticed this topic was up to 7 pages I figured it couldn't possibly be filled with yuletide greetings. Sure enough, I see where this has gone. When I have time later I'll have to read through it all but my guess is it will end up closed like most topics that get off track in this manner.

While I'm here, Merry Christmas to all.


i'll be the first to apolagize. No one would like this shut down more than me since its filled with hate and lies and unfounded acusations at a time when yuletide greetings should be the spirit of the day. My sons coming to visit tomorrow from Rome, Ga and i wont have time to mess around anyway.
 
Merry Christmas Everyone!

[Tedlark]

  Not to be the condescending weasel of the group but johnnylong can you please show me in your post where you do say that Fa la la told you he did the wiring all by himself? I do see where you mention the cool electronic gear (heck I saw a tv in a mirror, that was WAY cool) but I did not see a mention of where you say that HE did the wiring.
 
  Thanks for the compliment Shadow, I have slowed down a bit over the years though; when I was 27 I benched 225 pounds 36 times and Tony Mandarich only managed to throw up 29. He outweighed me by about 75 pounds at the time too.
 
  Eduardo was that a Seguaro in Santa's pocket or was he just glad to see us?
 
  Before I forget, Merry Christmas to  ALL. I cant spell it in Spanish Eduardo, please do not be sad and make fun of my wiring, that would make me sad. Please remember what that great american Barney said: "I love you, you love me, where a great big family...
 
  "Don't fault those who tried and failed; fault those who failed to try."

[New2vp]

Read more new 2. ive been reading this site for a while before joining. Your doing what the others do and when you get stuck in a corner you throw out another false acusation you cant back up or did the necesary fact checking to keep you from looking like youre speaking out of frustration.I was hardly stuck in a corner.  And there were no accusations, certainly none that were false.  That was the first post I made in this thread so I had nothing to defend.  The comments were all related to things that you have said in the last week here.  There were no accusations or insults directed to your hero.  If you were not so closely linked with him, I would expect that you would be able to discern that.The reason for the bright soft-colored font was to try to indicate what my thoughts were when I read your words.  The brightness indicated whimsy and satire, without getting into the insults, name-calling, and ill will that accompanies many of your posts.  I just think it's amusing that you started out trying to portray yourself as skeptical of your hero, but within about 5 posts, you choose the same hateful tone as your hero and many of the other posters that he either has posed as here or directed to this site.All the while you are displaying these less than pleasing traits, you, like him, complain about others hurling insults, ill will, and hate towards you, lumping anyone who dares disagree with you by describing them in a most disagreeable light.Well, when you're doing as much name-calling and spewing as much vitriol as you are, it's really hard to take your concerns about others doing similar things seriously.  Don't expect to work up sympathy for your side of any argument when you persist in this manner.Now your really behind in your reading. i told eduardo the entire meeting him thing, how and why. You just dont like it.What's not to like?  You decided to spend an evening with your hero.  That doesn't affect me a single iota in any direction.  I didn't have to endure that evening.  I eat, play pool, and drink lots of times with plenty of people that I'd rather be around.  I certainly wouldn't wish to deprive you of the same.Theres more important things than vid pok and to he and i one of them is musle cars.That may be but...you see...this is a video poker forum and not a muscle car forum.  I'm interested in cars as well but probably not to the same extent as you.  Maybe there is some other forum that would be better suited towards talking about muscle cars and how your hero knows more about them than 99% of all living humans.  Maybe you would be better received there.  But that really doesn't have a lot to do with whether your hero is giving out accurate video poker advice.  And the size of his house and the length of his....harley...doesn't really make his video poker advice any better.Thats how and why we first talked briefly and we met up at his home later on. From your tone you dont like that either. all you are is another jealus poster...Is this name calling again?  My tone was light, whimsical, and comedic.  Certainly some of the satire wasn't sufficiently veiled, so I'm not surprised if you had your feelings hurt a bit (unfortunately truth put in someone else's words often does that), but the number of derogatory comments that you made here eventually compelled me to point out, with a bit of humor, how silly some of them were...at least to me.  You'd do well to lighten up.  Who cares if some people do disagree with you or have taken shots at your hero?  This is not the only place on the Internet that this occurs.  His attacks are generally nasty.  Now, before you get mad at me for saying that, recall that this a paraphrasing of what you posted...you remember, back when you were trying to project a forum persona as a disinterested 3rd party before you tried to steer posts here towards this very discussion that you now complain about....who hes probably trounced on more than
once.Now why would you say that after I have only made one post in the threads that you have posted in?  Does he fight with everyone?  Recall, I didn't make a single derogatory comment about him here; I just responded to a few of your comments.  Sure, he has courageously tried to trash me in a couple of his columns without printing my responses, but as near as I can figure, I've not been engaged in any debate with him where someone could judge who won and who lost.  Certainly I know how I'd score it but I'm not any more objective as a judge than you would be.Oh, yeah, you are probably referring to my discussions with others who have posted here, like you, apparently posting in his behalf while denying any tie to him.  I can see where you would make that mistake.  It is really difficult to determine whether or not it's really him since their writings and attitudes are so similar.But, here's a tip.  You shouldn't persist in making that mistake.  Those other posters get really mad when you accuse them of being him in disguise or being prompted by him to post!Want to know what my best bet is? i was going to leave until your admin. showed me why i shouldnt. i post in other threds which few of oej and his posse do and i just recently arived. i play the games because i like to try the newest here before going to nevada. You just dont like that i dont take your or anyones crap and i tell what i see and know. All you people do is lie, acuse, duck the tough questions and go into hate rages.Well you started this paragraph out with a question about what you should do and I guess I missed the answer.  It seems you crawled back into some hate rage.  Oh yeah, that's what you're accusing others of doing!  I'd be happy to have a disinterested 3rd party rate what you and I have written here and categorize the level of hate in both.  If you cannot see that you're displaying a bit more anger than I am, ok, a lot more anger than I am, you need to do some reassessment.  Have someone you trust and respect read the stuff back to you and maybe they can help you with your anger management issues. Again mr. new, i dont give 2 craps what eduardos numbers can or cannot prove.Hey don't get mad at me or Eduardo, for that matter.  If you don't care what Eduardo's numbers can or cannot prove, why did you ask him,  "please lead me to that proof that flalal has little understanding of math."?  Do we have to be mind readers and determine which statements that you wrote are accurate and which are not?A word of advice.  On your next post, try and stop confronting everyone and try to post something that would be of interest to most (or at least some).  It's really ok to post without spewing hate and venom or accusing others of the same.Or maybe you'd like to instigate further pointless boring discussions that are devoid of video poker content.  If you take an honest look at your  posts and you really did read the other locked posts before posting, anyone could have predicted the direction that they would have gone.Either way, have a good holiday.

[johnnylong]

  Not to be the condescending weasel of the group but johnnylong can you please show me in your post where you do say that Fa la la told you he did the wiring all by himself? I do see where you mention the cool electronic gear (heck I saw a tv in a mirror, that was WAY cool) but I did not see a mention of where you say that HE did the wiring.

Page 6 of this thred, "Do you play dumb on purpose? i said he told me HE did all the wiring. Our aquaintance is through an interest in cars but now im interested in his vp method so ill take a look at it."

[Tedlark]

  Please check your prior post on the same page johnny. In it is the first time you mention televisions and wiring yet you didn't say that HE did all of the wiring, you just mentioned that you were impressed with the job. It was in your next post that you made the :"Do you play dumb on purpose" statement. 

[vidopoker]

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[johnnylong]

I was hardly stuck in a corner.  And there were no accusations, certainly none that were false.  That was the first post I made in this thread so I had nothing to defend.  The comments were all related to things that you have said in the last week here.  There were no accusations or insults directed to your hero.  If you were not so closely linked with him, I would expect that you would be able to discern that.

Sure you are. you and some others have been trying to make the case that im falala just because you cant break me into leaving. its consistant with the history ive read here too. The pianoguy roland was ramrodded out and thats not gointgto happen with me. Your acusation was clear, you insinuate im him, and that sir is false. Live with it. i am not at this point closly linked with him but i respect him and admire his good family life and sucess. i also like his vehicles but thats not all important. i will be the first to report when i sit with him and talk about his vid pok ways, which only a few here seem to defy.
The reason for the bright soft-colored font was to try to indicate what my thoughts were when I read your words.  The brightness indicated whimsy and satire, without getting into the insults, name-calling, and ill will that accompanies many of your posts.  I just think it's amusing that you started out trying to portray yourself as skeptical of your hero, but within about 5 posts, you choose the same hateful tone as your hero and many of the other posters that he either has posed as here or directed to this site.

Go ahead and tell me how youd deal with the likes of an acuser namecaller and liar like oej, followed by cd and edc. i told you i dont just sit back and take it. he doesnt like it that i threw it all back in his face, and aparently you dont either as i see your still trying to duck it all by implying im him.
All the while you are displaying these less than pleasing traits, you, like him, complain about others hurling insults, ill will, and hate towards you, lumping anyone who dares disagree with you by describing them in a most disagreeable light.

Get wise new. one thing i have not done is namecalling and i only respond to the lies about me as you so sneakily are implying that im not me, and the hate. Youve taken your uneasyness to another level of in-security by trying to spin whats going on. Your not as smart as you think you are. 
Well, when you're doing as much name-calling and spewing as much vitriol as you are, it's really hard to take your concerns about others doing similar things seriously.  Don't expect to work up sympathy for your side of any argument when you persist in this manner.

Tough question alert, show me where ive namecalled. if you think "liar" is that then your spinning out of control again. When oej tells me something the exact opposite of that which ive seen and experienced for myself withmy own eyes nose and ears, hes lying and you cant dispute that. Heres your chance to stop the spinning and back up your stuff. or are you going to be like the others and duck again?
 
What's not to like?  You decided to spend an evening with your hero.  That doesn't affect me a single iota in any direction.  I didn't have to endure that evening.  I eat, play pool, and drink lots of times with plenty of people that I'd rather be around.  I certainly wouldn't wish to deprive you of the same.
Notice how youve ducked the issue again. You kept harping on how i must be a "superfast reader" to be up on so much so soon and you again insinuated it just cant be until you finaly swalowed that i spent the evening at his home. Your trying to be slick again with that "endure" comment, comeon ne 2, their as good a hosts as any ive seen and from what ive seen with your math whiziness and vp interest youd have wet your pants if you saw that vp machine in his garage hooked up to those fancy gagets. i had the same reaction when i saw the vehicles, which is how our knowing each other began.

That may be but...you see...this is a video poker forum and not a muscle car forum.  I'm interested in cars as well but probably not to the same extent as you.  Maybe there is some other forum that would be better suited towards talking about muscle cars and how your hero knows more about them than 99% of all living humans.
 
Your problem is a condecending attitude, and i think i see why you really dislike falala. Hes interesting and your not. His real life and real everything which i beleive to include his vid pok life just as he reports until i am shown diferently intimidate you and the others, which are only a few by the way. You know as well as i do that mention of musle cars was only to show how we met, yet you make up that its a real talking point on this forum. Comeon.
  Maybe you would be better received there.  But that really doesn't have a lot to do with whether your hero is giving out accurate video poker advice.  And the size of his house and the length of his....harley...doesn't really make his video poker advice any better.
i hope to know more about that in jan. Right now thats YOUR beef and maybe the others not mine. i take issue with the nasty crap and ive dealt with it.
Is this name calling again?  My tone was light, whimsical, and comedic.  Certainly some of the satire wasn't sufficiently veiled, so I'm not surprised if you had your feelings hurt a bit (unfortunately truth put in someone else's words often does that), but the number of derogatory comments that you made here eventually compelled me to point out, with a bit of humor, how silly some of them were...at least to me.
its also your way of ducking the tough questions. i was hoping youd answer at least ONE of them. 

You'd do well to lighten up.  Who cares if some people do disagree with you or have taken shots at your hero?  This is not the only place on the Internet that this occurs.  His attacks are generally nasty.  Now, before you get mad at me for saying that, recall that this a paraphrasing of what you posted...you remember, back when you were trying to project a forum persona as a disinterested 3rd party before you tried to steer posts here towards this very discussion that you now complain about.
 
You spun the issue again and got caught again. disagreeing with me is of no concern to me. Lying about me or my direct experience is, and its also not decent for anyone here to be namecalling falala and lying about him like ive seen throughout this forum. your last spin was out of confusion. i wasnt trying to project anything or lead into anything other than ask a simple question if a famos name i recognised was posting as babybuba. You need to read before posting these things. 

Now why would you say that after I have only made one post in the threads that you have posted in?
 
Why? did you see where i said ive read HISTORY here? if your going to try to make things up then at least expect that the person your directing that torards has a brain.
 
Does he fight with everyone?  Recall, I didn't make a single derogatory comment about him here; I just responded to a few of your comments.  Sure, he has courageously tried to trash me in a couple of his columns without printing my responses, but as near as I can figure, I've not been engaged in any debate with him where someone could judge who won and who lost.  Certainly I know how I'd score it but I'm not any more objective as a judge than you would be.

Your comments are the sly type thatll elicit stupid humor from the oej posse just as youd like. ive read one column where he bashed you and from what i see you deserved it because youve been doing it here and he doesnt post here. i also see where the others take similar liberties. it is quite cowardly. i also have no idea whod win a debate but i did see where he wrote about how he oferred to set one up vs. this forum and you all ducked that too. Heres another one of those tough questions, do you care to explain if you and the others feel your all so superier to him why you all ducked it? 
Oh, yeah, you are probably referring to my discussions with others who have posted here, like you, apparently posting in his behalf while denying any tie to him.  I can see where you would make that mistake.  It is really difficult to determine whether or not it's really him since their writings and attitudes are so similar.
if others are posting on his behalf then thats up to them. That rolandpiano dude was arguing about his play method to the point of being nausiating which is 100% diferent from why im in this. 

But, here's a tip.  You shouldn't persist in making that mistake.  Those other posters get really mad when you accuse them of being him in disguise or being prompted by him to post!
 
im not the brightest person here so i dont get that.

Well you started this paragraph out with a question about what you should do and I guess I missed the answer.  It seems you crawled back into some hate rage.  Oh yeah, that's what you're accusing others of doing!
 
i hate no one here and you know that. i dont know a soul either. you only said that because youre like a woman scorned. i told you about how i dislike the hate shown here and you tried to turn it around.
 
I'd be happy to have a disinterested 3rd party rate what you and I have written here and categorize the level of hate in both.
 
Your trying to be sly again, do all people here who think theyre smarter than another do that? ive been telling you about the hate and conflict oej and his boys have shown and how dispicable it is. You translated that into me being hatefull. id like to have that 3rd uninterested party show you in front of whoever your trying to impress, how a slug who turns a wrench for a living stops a selfimpressed brain cold every single time. 
 
If you cannot see that you're displaying a bit more anger than I am, ok, a lot more anger than I am, you need to do some reassessment.  Have someone you trust and respect read the stuff back to you and maybe they can help you with your anger management issues.
 
sos. i saw where you tried that same crap with the pianoguy. This time however your ending up with a
 
Hey don't get mad at me or Eduardo, for that matter.  If you don't care what Eduardo's numbers can or cannot prove, why did you ask him,  "please lead me to that proof that flalal has little understanding of math."?  Do we have to be mind readers and determine which statements that you wrote are accurate and which are not?
That condecending spin again, is that all you have? all eduardo did was try to prove his side of the story, which wasnt the issue and i didn't understand it any way. eduardo here and the posse in other threds claim falalas lying and a fraud, a fake and so on. lets see someone PROVE beyond any doubt that falala lies about his results, which are enormus from what ive seen on his site, from playing the way he wants to play. ill bet you right now even YOU cant do it because i know NOBODY can do it about any method. Lets see you get out of this one with one of your cute lines. Thats what bugs all of you about him isnt it, his wining and his telling you his way is better than yours. You guys just cant get over it can you and younever will. Better your burden than mine.  
A word of advice.  On your next post, try and stop confronting everyone and try to post something that would be of interest to most (or at least some).  It's really ok to post without spewing hate and venom or accusing others of the same.

Or maybe you'd like to instigate further pointless boring discussions that are devoid of video poker content.  If you take an honest look at your  posts and you really did read the other locked posts before posting, anyone could have predicted the direction that they would have gone.

Either way, have a good holiday.
 
Heres my word of advice to you, you forgot to use blue. dont do it again. I wouldnt want any one to think im writing that type of spin.