my findings

[billryan]

I'm very confused.
I thought you had come to your senses and given up on CS?
Are you playing it or not?

[Eduardo]

Right... I thought he had arrived at a much more sensible analysis of his own system. Now he seems to have come full circle and singing the praises of "CS" and even saying it can give you an edge. Well, without it actually being called an edge. A ledge?

[Eduardo]

Phil,More detail would be good in bringing some sense to this discussion. I don't know all the details based on your past posts.Maybe someone will then be able to simulate the approach for you to give an idea for what outcomes can actually be expected compared to a more standard betting approach.I know you say it's not about the math, but there's nothing about it that escapes the same rules we all play by. You will win a certain amount of the time and lose a certain amount of the time, and by different amounts. Maybe that will make it "worth it" for some people to follow the betting strategy. Maybe it wouldn't look as good as you think. I honestly don't know. If you could write it out as the most basic rules to follow without any hyperbole discussion about bob dancer, math, luck or anything else, it would be good. But I'm definitely confused since you seem to have evolved in your view of it in the past week, over the course of this topic.

[billryan]

In one post, he claims you play max coins only 10% of the time. In another he says its one out of five hands.
It's gibberish.

[billryan]

Right... I thought he had arrived at a much more sensible analysis of his own system. Now he seems to have come full circle and singing the praises of "CS" and even saying it can give you an edge. Well, without it actually being called an edge. A ledge?

Gambling Without An Edge.
After all, who needs math?

[Eduardo]

In one post, he claims you play max coins only 10% of the time. In another he says its one out of five hands.
It's gibberish.It makes perfect sense if you only play a hand 50% of the time.

[FloridaPhil]

I don't know of any mathematical formula that can simulate what happens when you play CS.  How can you write a program that bets max coins after every 4 coin deuces wild win then returns to single coin?   CS max coin wins are based on chance.   It doesn't create luck it puts you in position to take advantage of it.   Instead of knocking it, why don't you doubters try it on this website for yourself?  I don't play CS quarters at all any more.  I have already stated why.  Playing quarter VP games with anything less than max coins causes the casino to flag your account for "No Comps".  Mailers stop, free play stops, no nothing.  I know, it's happened to me.  I enjoy our free nights at casinos.  We are planning our spring VP road trip right now and the entire trip is being planned around free rooms.    We stay free at least a dozen nights or more each year.  These rooms cost $120-$400 a night.  This has value to us, so we play max coins most of the time.I still use CS when I am playing $5 machines.   CS allows we to play above my bankroll with very little risk.   Right now I have five $1,000 single coin $5 quad deuce hand photos in my phone.  If you like I can post them for you.  Each of these hands was hit with a $20 investment.  For the life of me I can't understand why some players are so angry about CS?   Who cares what someone else does with their own money?  CS is not a threat to anyone.  I have already said if you can play positive VP games, do exactly what the math and Bob Dancer says to do.  Do you want me to lie, denounce something that works for me just to make you happy?CS is an alternative way to play negative VP games.  It lets you play more hands with less money and you can still hit a max coin jackpot.  Many players on this website are interested in that.  A few are so angered by it they will go to any length to keep us from talking about it openly.  It's no big deal.  Get over it.

[Eduardo]

I don't know of any mathematical formula that can simulate what happens when you play CS.  How can you write a program that bets max coins after every 4 coin deuces wild win then return to single coin? 


if handcount = 4 then maxbet else betone.It's not hard actually. What I'm telling you is that if you map it out, this is actually very easy to simulate. The results could be interesting. And yes, math handles "luck" just fine. When you say something happens at a rate of .1 that means you'll get luck once in 10 times. And you can see the results of that luck for a certain percentage of sessions, players, etc.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Eduardo]It's not hard actually. [/quote]OK.  Write a simulation that plays a 98.9% max coin dollar deuces wild game one coin at a time.  After every 4 coin win, bet max coins.  Continue with max coins until you lose a hand.  Go back to single coin and start over again.  This will simulate dollar CS play at the Florida Hard Rocks.  Run this program a full royal cycle of 45,000 hands and give us the results.  Remember, the hand strategy changes when you switch from max to single coin and back.After that, do the same thing with a 96.77% quarter game flat betting max coins.  Let's compare the simulations and see what happens.  One thing I will predict, CS will allow you to play more hands with the same money which is the whole idea.Don't  be afraid.  The truth won't hurt any of us.

[Eduardo]

"One thing I will predict, CS will allow you to play more hands with the same money which is the whole idea."Um... if that's all we're trying to prove here, that's pointless and very obvious when you bet less. In fact, maybe this whole exercise is pointless. Are you interested in how it compares to max bet quarters?