Dreamcard is NOT a SMART GAME to play

[DaBurglar]

Let me first distinguish between single line dreamcard (only available on the ever-disappearing 5 star machines of yesteryear),  and the more prevalent MULTI-line Dreamcard machines out there.The single line game is playable in the sense that, if you find a 5 star machine with the right choice of single lune dreamcard versions of games like Bonus Poker and Double Double Bonus, with a good enough paytable, then the 10 credit per deal premium you will be paying is not neccessarily a death wish to your bankroll.   You can in fact survive playing single line dreamcard, and possibly even win if you survive long enough to eventually pull that one lucky hand.NOT at all possible with the multiline dreamcard games, not matter what the paytable(s).   When you play a 5 line or even 10 line version of dreamcard double bonus or double double bonus as an example, the 50-100 credits you are laying out there per deal QUICKY snuff out your bankroll, unless you happen to hit a dreamcard royal or other monster hand within the first few deals.    it is just plain impossible......the game is poorly conceived as a multiline option.I came to this conclusion playing the dreamcard multiline game on this site, along with much more limited play for REAL at the Taj in AC.   But playing on this site 10 line Double Bonus and Double Double bonus, I have consistently been decimated.    After many simulations, I have NEVER come out ahead but in fact, most of the time, I have lost almost all the starting bankroll in very short periods of time.    Volatility is not even an adequate word to describe multiline dreamcard.       It is just a lousy, horribly conceived game.   they need to either lower the premium per deal, or increase the frequency of the dreamcard appearing.       29% is NOT frequent enough playing a game like DDB, whereby you PAY the dreamcard premium per hand of 10 credits EVERYhand, but only see the dreamcard activated about once every 4 or 5 hands on average (if that),

[DaBurglar]

edited to add this, in the interest of fairness.   Multiline dreamcard Deuces wild MIGHT be as sustainable as the single line version, since the 59% dreamcard appearance rate for Dreamcard deuces wild does indeed make up for the 10 credits per hand premium.   I still would not play it myself, but it is not the suicidal charge that DDB or TDB is.

[Tedlark]

  I will be reporting later on how unlucky I was while playing 10 play Dreamcard .25 denomination at Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg, IN this past Friday July 4th. I was unlucky when I was dealt quad 4's, even unluckier when dealt quad 6's (twice), most unlucky when dealt quad 5's. I took a picture of the handpay when dealt the quad 4's but it was blurry and not worh posting.    Edited to add this: I will be posting the rest in another section of the froum.

[Vman96]

edited to add this, in the interest of fairness.   Multiline dreamcard Deuces wild MIGHT be as sustainable as the single line version, since the 59% dreamcard appearance rate for Dreamcard deuces wild does indeed make up for the 10 credits per hand premium.   I still would not play it myself, but it is not the suicidal charge that DDB or TDB is.

Considering "full pay" Deuces for that game (25/15/9/4/4/3) increases the game from 98.91% to 99.91%, I'd play it. But I doubt any casino in the country offers that paytable. I have only seen (20/11/9/4/4/3) which is 96.75% w/o DreamCard and 97.03% with it.

TDB/DDB can't offer the dream card very much, because getting the dream card pushes you toward quads which are very top heavy payouts for TDB/DDB.

[DaBurglar]

  I will be reporting later on how unlucky I was while playing 10 play Dreamcard .25 denomination at Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg, IN this past Friday July 4th. I was unlucky when I was dealt quad 4's, even unluckier when dealt quad 6's (twice), most unlucky when dealt quad 5's. I took a picture of the handpay when dealt the quad 4's but it was blurry and not worh posting.    Edited to add this: I will be posting the rest in another section of the froum.

congrats on the hits.My main point was the devastating effect this game can have on bankroll over time.....you were apparently lucky in one session.   Beats losing for sure, but since you do not even mention what your overall return or results were I am pretty sure you finished down because you would have mentioned that too to rub it my face.You clearly do not dispute that my original point of view, that dreamcard multiline DDB or TDB is extremely volatile.you did not need to include the snotty tone tedlark...I accept that you will never agree with me no matter what.   but you did make a point about civility.....so I am asking you to stop your hypocrisy, for the benefit of the forum (not my benefit, I know you would never do that.)Posts like that make you look bad, and that is not in anyones interest, certainly not mine.   I dont win anything, my luck doesnt increase everytime I make you look like the idiot you are.....ya know?   C'mon, old boy.....we can both despise each other with respect, right?I do feel bad for you though, that you are forced to play video poker in....lol.....'indiana".....gahhh that must be soooo boring.   driving to and fro past rural nothingness and cornfields full of corn the government will pay the farmers to destroy.I am so lucky I can go to AC whenever I want.....I love AC.  

[chattycattty]

I guess you have never been to Indiana. I do not live there but have been through there a couple of times. I had one of my best rounds of golf ever at St. James CC in northern Indiana. What I remember is beautiful rolling hills and trees and pristine blue water most of which I managed to avoid. I do not recall any boring rural nothingness and cornfields. And even though I may have missed the cornfields I am sure there are a lot of hard working proud Americans that earn a living there as farmers.

I do have to congratulate you though Daburglar. You have just managed to offend everyone that lives in Indiana and everyone who resides in the country. I guess you need to go back and reread How to Win Friends and Influence People.

[Vman96]

Horseshoe Hammond has to be a million times nicer than any AC property not named Borgata or Revel. And definitely no cornfields with the route we take to get there. And Ted only has to drive about 30 minutes to get there, how long does it take for you to get to AC, DaBurglar?

[BillyJoe]

The frequency of which the DreamCard appears makes all the difference in the success of this game. I play 3-line, TDB, $1 denom - $30 a pull. I guess you can say that I am a glutton for volatility. If a machine is not producing DreamCards often enough, it is time to move on, regardless of the paytable.

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar I have previously posted items in the forum about my playing Dreamcard, in MICHIGAN, and this play has produced positive results. I could repost the pictures showing my: dealt royals; dealt AWAK's; dealt quad 2/'s/3's/4's with kickers but that is not necessary as far as I am concerned.   My session at Hollywood casino in Lawrenceburg, INDIANA, ended very much in the positive. As I also mentioned in my post earlier here I said I would comment more in another area of the forum. This will be in my original forum post about plans for the Fourth of July weekend and you are more than welcome to view that posting once I make it.     And for the record; any video poker game can have a devistating effect on a bankroll. And also for the record, I played at Horseshoe Cincinnati OHIO so please feel free to insult the whole state of OHIO as well. I can make myself look like an idiot if I choose and I do not need your help to accomplish this if I desire.   As I have recently mentioned; I took an opposing position to you and you jumped all over me.

[DaBurglar]

Horseshoe Hammond has to be a million times nicer than any AC property not named Borgata or Revel. And definitely no cornfields with the route we take to get there. And Ted only has to drive about 30 minutes to get there, how long does it take for you to get to AC, DaBurglar?I myself cannot drive, but I own a lift-equipped handivan and I employ a part-time driver to transport me when and where I desire.....I either take the bus via Hartford-NYC-Atlantic city, which takes about 5 hours total time with a stop in NYC.....or if I have other stops in mind (like the baseball hall of fame in cooperstown), or if I want to visit friends in and around NYC or in Jersey, I will take my van.....usually when I do this, I will have my driver drop me off in NYC and then I will take a bus to AC from there.   And no, my driver is NOT a chauffeur, I use a basic driver pool service about 4 days a week on average.    But really Vman, with regard driving distance, you are attempting to make a non-issue here an actual ISSUE .....Driving, distance, remoteness etc was never an issue....look at how many people fly, drive, bus herculean distances to get to Vegas....And to others who posted in "defense" of Indiana, If people are actually THAT sensitive over what I actually wrote about Indiana, then I suggest therapy (and I am absolutely postive that I am hardly alone in this world to think a particular state or region is perceived as "boring" or "unexciting"....jeeezus....its not like I condemned the whole state population as ignorant or something even close!!!)   My point was to give back to Tedlark some of the "attitude" he gave me to my original post.   And now ONCE again, he tries to play the victim when in fact he opened the ball once again with his SNOTTY tone, going out of his way just to take a potshot at my original post, instead of just saying "Well daburglar, while it is only ONE session, I have to disagree with you about MULTILINE dreamcard being so one-sided, based on my latest session..."  Nope, instead he posted what he posted,   It's absurd how he twists and torts things....Seriously, in total contrast,  look at how Billyjoe managed to stay on topic and actually make a point RELEVANT to my original opening post.    If everyone would just follow his example, we could have a lively interesting forum discourse on many VP related things.....but noooooo....I am again asking......wtf was so bad about my original post?    and why is it not possible for anyone else to see the snotty, almost MOCKING tone of the way Tedlark responded to it with his supposed "positive" session that just so happens to coincide exactly when I make this post?      And then even allowing for the fact that tedlark has the "right" to post what he wants.  what's the problem with me responding back to him on the level that HE CHOSE to respond to me?    Once again, hypocrisy is rife.....If you bother to re-read my original post,  I single out specifically DDB and TDB (and also plain old Double Bonus) versions of multiline dreamcard.   On this site the current setting for the dreamcard frequency on DDB is 31% (although I could have sworn it used to be 29%, but still about the same.)    I specifically conceded that OTHER forms of Multiline Dreamcard  like Deuces wild (and also I will now point out, plain old JOB) are not nearly as bad on the bankroll......AND I CLEARLY state that single line dreamcard is a fun playable game.