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[olds442jetaway]

I am playing a very sloooow Martingale clone method lately on Double Down Stud. By lately, I mean just one session. but I want to play this way most of the time. The game is Double Down Stud Deuces Wild with a decent paytable for this game of 12/7. just a little below 98% I think. Anyway, I know a Wild Royal is supposed to hit on this game in the long run somewhere between 5,000 and 6,000 hands. I can play twice as many hands in a session on this game as draw poker which gives me a greater chance of hitting a Wild Royal before I go home. If I start playing 1 quarter, to be even, I won't have to bet 2 quarters until I have lost 200 coins because you always double on the chance of hitting the Wild Royal. In playing this game over the years, I have managed to hit at least 1 wild royal almost every session and sometimes as many as 3. I have never gone 2 straight sessions without hitting 1 wild royal on this game. Once in a great while, you get dealt 4 deuces which is nice. I should know how to figure this out, but have forgotten how. If I play 8k hands a session on this game, what is the probabality of having to increase my bet to 10 units to be even if a wild royal hits. I am assuming here that I do not hit a dealt natural royal or get dealt 4 deuces.   My plan is if I haven't hit the wild royal at the end of my session to pick up where I left off on the next session. Thanks.

[olds442jetaway]

Just an update on our Mohegan Sun overnight as it is related to the post below. One of those rare trips where both yourself and the Mrs. both come home winners. Mrs. usually plays DDB on those nickel Multi-Streak games 3 lines where your bet is 15+15 for the multiplier. Mohegan Sun just yanked those out and put something else in similar. The Mrs. didn't catch the name of the game, but it has a multiplier offered at the same bet level. She was dealt quad 4's on all three lines and had a 3 multiplier so she won 3600 nickels. Being the smart lady she is, she played a few minutes more and retired for the evening up 200- for the trip.
     I don't have sense enough to retire for the evening, but did have some good fortune too. I kept my play entirely on the quarter double down stud machines mostly on regular deuces wild and some on bonus deuces wild. We got up there late, so got a bit screwed and had to take a smoking room. At least they sent up an air purifier which helped a little, but not much. We didn't even get to start playing until about 11 pm. I played all night using the method described below. It wasn't bad. I only had progressed up to a 3 quarter bet waiting for the wild royal to hit which would bring me to even. This was a particularly long streak without one, but one did finally hit at about 5:30 AM. I then retired for the evening er uh morning now I guess.
    Up and around by 9, some nice breakfast, a little shopping for the Mrs. and myself off to play for the last hour or so before we had to head home to take care of family etc. I again started my play at just one quarter on a Bonus Deuces Wild Double Down stud game and was lucky enough to hit another wild royal within 15 minutes.
That brought me up a little for the trip. Started all over at 1 quarter bet and before long, had to raise it up to 2 due to a quite long dud streak on nearly 40 hands.
Then a funny thing happened. The machine started to deal me 3 deuces on the first 4 cards about every 10 hands or so. This went on for a couple of minutes then the 4th time it gave me 3 deuces, I ended up with the 4th deuce on the 5th card. Since I had 2 quarters in and the bet of course was doubled, it was good for a nice 400- hit. Good timing because our late checkout time was about up and we really had to get going. I guess I will play the same way on the next trip since so far so good. I will also see what the game the Mrs. was playing is called. Will be a while till the next trip due to awful weather and extreme cold.

[notes1]

so, you are essentially playing slower, playing for less and have a system you are trying. the result is you are losing less, which is what you stated in earlier posts, was your goal.  i am very interested, are you having as much fun? i am asking, because i have seen so many playing less than max coin.  i am curious if some of the excitement is missing when you are playing for less than max? like you, i am determined to cut my losses to something i am willing to accept. so far, the best i have been able to come up with, is to just go less often. for february, i am only going once. if i want to go to a casino, i need to either drive 4 1/2 hours or take a plane. i can't see doing all that and just betting fifty or seventy five cents. 

[FloridaPhil]

I am working on playing slower myself and am enjoying a more relaxing experience.  I've decided to use two different strategies, one for day trips and the other for VP road trips or when I want to play all day.  I went to the Hard Rock yesterday and intentionally worked on slowing my play.  I played max coin DW with a strict cash out limit.   I played for 3 hours and walked out up $50. I'll use the cheap system when I need to reduce my losses over  a longer period of time.  The odds of winning over a 3 day period are pretty low and the losses could be hard to recoup.  

[Vman96]

Glad you had some decent hits!

Fwiw, dealt 4 deuces is rarer than a royal after a draw in normal vp.

There are 48 cards available for the 5th card and 2598960 deal combinations available.

48/2598960 = 1 in 54,145

[olds442jetaway]

so, you are essentially playing slower, playing for less and have a system you are trying. the result is you are losing less, which is what you stated in earlier posts, was your goal.  i am very interested, are you having as much fun? i am asking, because i have seen so many playing less than max coin.  i am curious if some of the excitement is missing when you are playing for less than max? like you, i am determined to cut my losses to something i am willing to accept. so far, the best i have been able to come up with, is to just go less often. for february, i am only going once. if i want to go to a casino, i need to either drive 4 1/2 hours or take a plane. i can't see doing all that and just betting fifty or seventy five cents. 

     Having much more fun playing at a greatly reduced coin level that still has chances at some big hits. Check the paytables for Double Down Stud Deuces Wild Bonus. Also, by betting less than 5 quarters, you are only giving up a fraction of a percent on the Royal. Although at under 98%, the paytables aren't great, I can play many more hands than draw poker in the same time and at a slower pace. I love the doubling feature after you see your first 4 cards. That is most of the fexcitement on this game. One time a couple of years ago, I was dealt the 4 deuces, doubled, and the last card was the Ace.
     Another game I will be playing a little this year is DSTP at the nickel level. Lots of chances there for big hits too. Even vman, enjoys this game without great paytables. Let's face it. If it isn't fun, it isn't worth going to the casino. Look at all of the non fun things in life we have to do everyday. Forgot to add, Mohegan Sun still grants Momentum Dollars (points) for the Double Down Stud game as well as status points. At least that will cover my gas for the year. I have also managed to just qualify for level 3 for the next cycle which means I am good for free play, rooms, perks etc. until the end of September. So y'all come down for a visit at Mohegan. I'll see some I hope sometime in 2015.

[olds442jetaway]

Glad you had some decent hits!

Fwiw, dealt 4 deuces is rarer than a royal after a draw in normal vp.

There are 48 cards available for the 5th card and 2598960 deal combinations available.

48/2598960 = 1 in 54,145

     Thanks vman. I knew it was in the mid 50's, but forgot the exact. Luckily, for all games, the deuces quads are right on schedule, so I don't worry about the non existant Royals ( for me ) anymore.
      I know it is too much to ask, but if you are ever stuck inside with nothing to do and out of beer, I would be curious to know roughly how many hours it would take playing about 600 hands an hour to have to progress up to 10 quarters bet, to hit 1 wild royal but nothing bigger, so that when it hit, I would be even. So far I haven't had to go past 3 quarters bet and the Wild Royal has always come through on Double Down stud. I don't care which game is used for the math. Regular or Bonus. I can easily adjust the play myself. A real Royal or deuces quads would of course be a great bonus just like the other day. Finally, if you and gf do make it to Mohegan, you won't run out of beer those days, even if you do run out of $.

[notes1]

olds, good to hear you are still having fun.

[Vman96]

olds, good to hear you are still having fun.

Yeah this is important. And he is right about Double STP...I'm willing to overlook better paytables to play it at times. I don't do that too often.

[olds442jetaway]

I am working on playing slower myself and am enjoying a more relaxing experience.  I've decided to use two different strategies, one for day trips and the other for VP road trips or when I want to play all day.  I went to the Hard Rock yesterday and intentionally worked on slowing my play.  I played max coin DW with a strict cash out limit.   I played for 3 hours and walked out up $50. I'll use the cheap system when I need to reduce my losses over  a longer period of time.  The odds of winning over a 3 day period are pretty low and the losses could be hard to recoup.  
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     Hi Phil. I was just thinking about this since you have a knack for hitting deuces quads on most trips. Like you, I just like to play and the overall experience. It is not all about making money, though as you probably kn ow by now, due to last year's results, my game plan this year is either Mr. Cheap or Mr. Budget whichever name you prefer.
     How about this. Play 1 quarter or different denomination if you choose on regular deuces wild until you have lost 200 units net. Then start playing 2. Anytime hitting deuces quads would make you better than even, return to betting 1. Continue the pattern up and up if things are ice cold, but my guess is you will hit deuces quads before you bust a big bankroll.
     If it is the end of your gambling day or you and the Mrs. just take a break, just pick up where you left off even if it is a different day and different casino. The only time it could cost quite a bit is when you go a really really long time without hitting deuces quads. Sometimes hitting things like wild royals or 5 of a kinds fairly close together will enable the bet to be reduced. If you find this works out well, you could always cash out a decent ticket, pocket the $ and start over playing 1 unit. You probably read, I am playing this way now though going for a wild royal on the Double Down Stud game. I just happen to like the game better than draw poker, though I may start splitting up the play a little especially since the D Down Stud machines are hard to get and are almost always in play by other people. I guess it would be easy enough to practice this as a trial for free either on this site or other software where you can save the game and go back to it. With this winter, my wife has Fla on her mind where she grew up. Maybe we will see you folks again sometime this year. In the meantime, keep enjoying yourselves.