More Harrahs Tahoe

[DaBurglar]

I'm just curious why you felt compelled to give away such a large portion of your hard fought winnings during that last night on your way home in Seneca Niagra? Surely you must have seen the obvious risk/downside to pressing & playing that much on your return leg...what were you hoping to achieve? I mean, following all the previous action of staying and playing in Tahoe, why was it so important to play THAT much on that last nite when you were almost home??? more specifically, why play on such a scale where you end up giving back over two grand of your winnings in a casino that obviously is inferior in every way to what you just experienced in Tahoe, or what you always see when you are in vegas? If you just HAD to play, why not limit it to a few hundred bucks??

I know you won 700 at Seneca Niagra on your way TO Tahoe, but to expect it to repeat on the way home seems silly given your close call to losing that first time around.... you obviously on the whole had a nice trip, and I know both how lovely Tahoe is this time of the year AND how difficult in general it is to win there; it would've been very impressive for you to be reporting a profit of over 3 grand for the entire trip, which would have been the case if not for those wretched last few hours playing in Niagra!!

[FAA]

Yeah, that -$1,800 fiasco is brutal. It's like me getting reckless on the last hour of a day trip, which happens all too often. I should pull a Kerouac and take any bus I see on Atlantic Avenue to its last stop. At their level, I would have gotten some serious checks and deposit them once back home.

[DaBurglar]

Yeah, that -$1,800 fiasco is brutal. It's like me getting reckless on the last hour of a day trip, which happens all too often. I should pull a Kerouac and take any bus I see on Atlantic Avenue to its last stop. At their level, I would have gotten some serious checks and deposit them once back home. the concept is simple, quit when you are ahead.....for myself however, I have the lousy luck of rarely actually being "Ahead" when I am late into my session/visit to whatever casino I happen to be at......that is to say, suppose I have a 4day/night "stay/trip" planned for Ballys-AC.....typically the only time I am ever actually up or "ahead" is early in my stay, like the first 18-24 hours of a 96 hour stay.   If I find myself up $200-300 bucks after 1 day from playing 25 cent 8/5 Bonus poker, or multi-line 9/6/5 DDB, I could indeed quit but then ...... What on earth am I actually going to do for the subsequent 2-1/2 days?!?!?!  Seriously....all too often I have found such a dilemma staring me in the puss....of course I do not "quit" and continue to play, and my luck/fortune being what it is, I never manage to build on any early success, I always experience a downstep.    The other frequent scenario simply involves getting clobbered right out of the gate, winding up "down" several hundred bucks after the first 12-24 hours, and then continuing that trend.....sometimes if I am beaten badly enough early enough, I scale back the size of my bets (go from 25 cents to nickel denom, as an example) and sometimes find that I tehm begin to "win" but alas, because I have dropped my wagers I do not recover the initial losses when my luck changes and thus wind up very frustrated.This is all primarily an Atlantic City experience.....Vegas, and even Reno often gives me a much more friendly result.   I don't exactly win big, but when I play in Nevada, I rarely lose as fast, as often or as prolifically as I have in AC these past 5+ years......

[BobDancer]

the concept is simple, quit when you are ahead....Nonsense! At least for me.When I play in Tahoe, the goal is to get exactly 5000 reward credits in order to get 10,000 extra tier credits --- in order to earn Seven Stars with the least amount of coin in. They have 9/6 JoB and 9/7 TDB where you earn tier credits at $10 per. Both return essentially the same amount but they have VERY different variances.I know how the game will turn out in the long run. Whether I'm ahead or behind today is irrelevant. I have the bankroll (actual and psychological) to survive the swings, so it's just a matter of playing the amount required. Worrying about whether I'm ahead or behind before I reach the amount required is a waste of time and energy.Using DBs philosophy, if I'm dealt two pair on the first hand of JoB, I'm done for the day. Not for me. It's not costless for me to travel to Tahoe. It's not costless for me to spend a day in Tahoe. I want to reach my goal of Seven Stars efficiently --- and quitting early sabotages that goal.(Yes I could reach the same goal at less cost at certain other Harrah's properties, but my wife's daughter lives 20 miles from Tahoe. Happy wife. Happy life. Some things are more important that squeezing every last ounce of EV out of a situation.)

[FAA]

Same with me, ratio wise. The only time I am ahead is in the first 25% of my trips, sixty to ninety minutes into the day trip. Of course, we go for a big hit. Evisceration ensues. Cab, pedicab or jitney, I've got to escape in a flash. The pattern seems cast. I somehow pulled a max quad out of my butt last week at the end in Doris' area. That only halved the day's loss, though.

[onemoretry]

I'm just curious why you felt compelled to give away such a large portion of your hard fought winnings during that last night on your way home in Seneca Niagra? Seneca Niagara happens to be very conveniently located about 35-40 minutes from the Buffalo airport, and is on our route home (which is a further 2-3 hour drive). Stopping there, particularly when we arrive latish in the evening is a very attractive option. We stay in a nice complimentary suite, and enjoy complimentary meals.

We enjoy playing in their casino. Our preferred game to play there is 50c 3/5 line 8/5 bonus poker. To me, there is no rationale to the idea of not playing that game just because we came to the casino with winnings in our pocket. The machines are traditional slant tops. They are extremely comfortable to play at, and are well maintained. They are always clean, the screens are clear and sharp, and there are never any button issues. We did not feel compelled to play there - we wanted to.

We did not "give away" anything. We played video poker and had, between us, a losing session.   So what? It happens. We made a similar stop at Seneca Niagara while on the way home from our previous Nevada trip and were up $2600 between us. You never know, when you sit down at a video poker machine, how it's going to go. You hope for the best, but, sometimes, the best doesn't happen.

[FAA]

Indeed, that's why they call it gambling. I always like to leave my day with the sweet taste of victory. On a cross country trip, this should be all the more crucial. Again, different strokes. DB and I endure so many AC beat downs that we must be in survival mode by now.

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar] the concept is simple, quit when you are ahead....Nonsense! At least for me.When I play in Tahoe, the goal is to get exactly 5000 reward credits in order to get 10,000 extra tier credits --- in order to earn Seven Stars with the least amount of coin in. They have 9/6 JoB and 9/7 TDB where you earn tier credits at $10 per. Both return essentially the same amount but they have VERY different variances.I know how the game will turn out in the long run. Whether I'm ahead or behind today is irrelevant. I have the bankroll (actual and psychological) to survive the swings, so it's just a matter of playing the amount required. Worrying about whether I'm ahead or behind before I reach the amount required is a waste of time and energy.Using DBs philosophy, if I'm dealt two pair on the first hand of JoB, I'm done for the day. Not for me. It's not costless for me to travel to Tahoe. It's not costless for me to spend a day in Tahoe. I want to reach my goal of Seven Stars efficiently --- and quitting early sabotages that goal.(Yes I could reach the same goal at less cost at certain other Harrah's properties, but my wife's daughter lives 20 miles from Tahoe. Happy wife. Happy life. Some things are more important that squeezing every last ounce of EV out of a situation.)[/QUOTE]If you re-read my post, I'm not exactly advocating what you emphasize I'm advocating....clearly I point out the dilemma and downside with this "philosophy", and I do not quit when the first moment arrives when you are up a few coins.....The whole point, Bahhb, is having a plan/strategy, just like your example advocates, where you want to earn the right amount of tier Cs to earn the bonus, etc.    THAT I have no problem with and have done myself a few times when I had the time and opportunity......Still, "Quitting while one's ahead" really can be just a different way of saying that a person has a "GOAL" or upper limit of profit at which point they pledge  to cease play....otherwise a person literally can find themself playing until they bust or fall asleep  etc.Don't you think its a good idea to set some type of limit or boundary when playing?   I thought you did that, whether its a tier credit goal like your example, or a time limit (i.e. a person says I am going to play for two hours or until I lose X amount this session or if I win XXXX amount, etc)

[DougJ]

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Have you taken the scenic boat cruise on Tahoe. Harrahs used to comp it for 7 stars.

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Haven't been to Tahoe in a few years, but Harrahs used to comp the cruise for Diamonds, too. It was nice to do it once, it's a pretty tour of the lake and a different view than we'd normally see from top of Heavenly.