Cheap Advantage Play?

[case]

Phil, you don't give VP players enough credit. You preach like most players feel they will win big and you want to come to their rescue to tell them they will be losers. You really believe that the average VP player does not understand he will lose playing a negative game??

Phil next time you go to Hardrock to preach to the seniors take some time to ask them if they believe they can beat the game. I think they will tell you of course not, they play for the entertainment value.

Maybe in reality you are just trying to convince yourself you can't beat the game. Most VP players understand the odds more than you think.

What about slot players who go weekly to the casino. Do you think they believe they will be long time winners? Why don't you tell them they can't beat the game?

[FloridaPhil]

What about slot players who go weekly to the casino. Do you think they believe they will be long time winners? Why don't you tell them they can't beat the game?

I don't have to. We don't have experts telling them that slots are beatable and that they can live nice lifestyles by playing them.

[Tedlark]

So it's you against all the experts whom you allege tell people that video poker is beatable? I just did a quick search using: "is video poker beatable" and not a whole lot popped up. The two main points that were common in everything I saw were: play the best pay tables and play max coin in.

And yes, I've seen articles written by people who claim that slots ARE beatable.

[billryan]

Hasn't Phil taken on enough educating the world about the evil video poker pros and enthusiasts.
The man is in his seventies. Just be glad he is willing to spend the limited time left to him in service to humanity. Few men are willing to take on the powerful casinos and the evil video poker lobby.
Men of vision are rare. Men who refuse to accept the realities of so called mathematics even rarer.
They mocked Columbus, didn't they? They mocked Tesla, and yet now he has his own line of cars. They even mocked Peewee Herman.
Mock Phil at your own risk.
In your heart of hearts, isn't there room to accept the possibility that the 99.99 % of so called experts, with their years of so called knowledge , are wrong.

In the words of the prophet:" If you see your brother standing by the road, just stop and say you're going the wrong way."

[FloridaPhil]

I respect the opinions of others. Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions and state them openly. Some people will not like what you say. They will try to make you look stupid or have you banned from saying what you think. If you say something I disagree with, I will give an alternate opinion. I will not interfere with your right to do so.

The following is my opinion as it pertains to VP Advantage Play Strategy. Advantage Play Strategy was created to market products and services. The genius of this strategy is that it derives it's revenue from both players and casinos alike. Players like it because it gives them hope. Casinos like it because it brings in players who believe they can beat them. The person who created this strategy was looking for an opportunity. He was also a gambler. Through shear luck this person had an incredible run and won a large amount of money playing video poker in a short period of time. This fueled the writing of a book about the experience and jump started a successful career as a VP expert. There was nothing evil or wrong with any of this, it's pure entrepreneurship.

I do not believe Advantage Strategy by itself can make anyone a long term video poker winner. Some people will use it, get lucky and credit the strategy. Most will lose but they will convince themselves it's not the fault of the strategy. They will blame the casinos for rigged machines or some fault of their own. When someone doubts the strategy works as advertised and says so on this forum or in public, they are called names and told they can't win because they are losers. It can't possibly be a problem with the strategy, it's always a problem with the user.

It's amazing to me that more people have not questioned this strategy before. Are they all long term winners? Hardly. They are afraid to say anything for fear of the same treatment others on this forum have been subjected to. I am not afraid to ask these questions.

Advantage Play Strategy allows a player to play more hands with the same money. Playing to earn more comps is beneficial. That said, no strategy can guarantee to make anyone a short or long term VP winner. You can walk all the casino floors in the world searching for a positive game. You can practice until your fingers are bloody. You can get a doctorate degree in mathematics and you still won't win without the right cards appearing on the screen.

Some members of this forum will disagree with these statements. That is your right. All I want from VP is a day's entertainment. I want a little excitement without much cost. I want to go home knowing I got my money's worth. I do not want to go home regretting the money I lost or having to make up stories about being a long term winner.

If you want me to stop these posts, tell me you respect my opinion and let it be at that. If you wish to be a salesman for Advantage Play Strategy, find someone else because I'm not buying it.

[wildman49]

Look almost every casino has nickel JOB,DW,DDB. There is really no reason that I can think of to play single coin quarters. All right the pay table might be lower but is anyone really that worried about losing a few nickles for a shot at a $200 royal? Think about it, your not going to get much in the way of comps max nickels or single quarter play. If your playing for entertainment whats the fuss?

[FloridaPhil]

Look almost every casino has nickel JOB,DW,DDB. There is really no reason that I can think of to play single coin quarters. All right the pay table might be lower but is anyone really that worried about losing a few nickles for a shot at a $200 royal? Think about it, your not going to get much in the way of comps max nickels or single quarter play. If your playing for entertainment whats the fuss?

Playing single coin quarters is not the only way to reduce your cost of playing VP. The key to reducing that cost is to reduce your "coin in". You can do this in multiple ways like betting less, playing less hands or playing slower. It doesn't matter what strategy you use as long as it works for you.

In today's VP games, the bigger you play or the longer you play or the faster you play the more you lose. If that doesn't concern you, fine. My suggestions are for people who wish to play a lot of VP for less money.

[Tedlark]

Phil, in response to your 3:16 (odd) post: I do not recall hearing any person who plays using an Advantage Strategy complain here of machines being rigged. For those of us who are uninformed, can you elaborate? I think you are again trying too hard to sell your line of thinking.

In your 3:32 post you state that: "Playing single coin quarters is not the only way to reduce your cost of playing VP." Can you also confirm that this will also increase your cost substantially when taking the opportunities for the larger royal payout out of the equation? I intentionally only mention the royal for those who play JOB or Deuces. I maintain my position that playing max coin in at a reduced denomination is still a MUCH better play than going the single coin quarter (because you specified quarters) route.

[onemoretry]

The only thing I object to is when someone makes it out to be infallible in the long term.

In addition to the incorrect english grammar here, there is one other error - no one does that

[onemoretry]

The person who created this strategy was looking for an opportunity. He was also a gambler. Through shear luck this person had an incredible run and won a large amount of money playing video poker in a short period of time.

And, once again, you are targeting the person known as Bob Dancer. It may surprise you to hear that this advantage play strategy you often decry as being "invented" by Bob Dancer was not, in fact, "invented" by any one person. Why do you not ever take shots at Dan Paymar, Linda Boyd, Jean Scott, Michael Shackleford, etc.? These are all people who have made significant written contributions on the subject of playing video poker to your best advantage.