Class II Video Poker Machines

[K.Whitehorse]

In exploring the different casinos in my area since moving here, I've recently found one that carries only class II video poker and slot machines. The machines are a little confusing to figure out at first, but once you learn how to "daub", they look, play and (seem to) pay like normal video poker. Anyone know why a casino would offer these machines instead of normal machines, and if they have the same odds as normal video poker?

[MikeA]

They do not have the same "odds".  In most places that have or have had only Class II machines, (thinking of Oklahoma) the regulations prevent(ed) class III machines.  In Oklahoma, the machine "results" on a hand are determined by some Bingo game.  So, the odds are tied to Bingo results rather than VP card drawing and dealing.  The VP "face" is just that...a different way to display the Bingo results.  In fact, if you go to the "help screen" on one of those machines in Oklahoma, it has a chart that shows how the bingo results are interpreted to be displayed as a poker hand!Bottom line is "They are not NORMAL.

[K.Whitehorse]

They do not have the same "odds".  In most places that have or have had only Class II machines, (thinking of Oklahoma) the regulations prevent(ed) class III machines. 

In Oklahoma, the machine "results" on a hand are determined by some Bingo game.  So, the odds are tied to Bingo results rather than VP card drawing and dealing.  The VP "face" is just that...a different way to display the Bingo results.  In fact, if you go to the "help screen" on one of those machines in Oklahoma, it has a chart that shows how the bingo results are interpreted to be displayed as a poker hand!

Bottom line is "They are not NORMAL.

Interesting. In every casino i've been to in CA, VP machines were standard issue, with the exception of the one i mentioned (san pablo casino). From what I know about Bingo, the odds of actually winning a pot are really crappy, but I managed to pull in a few JOB, a two pair,  two three of a kinds and a flush over the course of 5 minutes. If these were really bingo games, wouldn't the odds say you'd be losing almost every hand? 

[MikeA]

Interesting. In every casino i've been to in CA, VP machines were standard issue, with the exception of the one i mentioned (san pablo casino). From what I know about Bingo, the odds of actually winning a pot are really crappy, but I managed to pull in a few JOB, a two pair,  two three of a kinds and a flush over the course of 5 minutes. If these were really bingo games, wouldn't the odds say you'd be losing almost every hand? Yes, you would lose more hands than you win even with RNG.  But, you don't have to get a BINGO to win a hand.  The way they play, you are issued a card and most machines let you change the cards at will.  Certain configurations of squares filled on the bingo equate to hands in poker.  I don't have the legend and all of the machines I knew of in Oklahoma have been removed in favor of Class III machines.

[macaroo]

 The subject of racinos in New York State has been beat to death on this forum.  Basically they are nothing more than a visual representation of a stack of scratch off lottery tickets.  Most machines are set to return 92% of the total wager bet.  Short term wins are possible, but play long enough and you will end up in that 8% loss column.  To maintain the required 92% return they employ various schemes like a dancing fairy that changes the draw hand or match card bonus points to keep the return legal.  Entertainment yes, gambling not hardly.

[bigboy]

 The subject of racinos in New York State has been beat to death on this forum.  Basically they are nothing more than a visual representation of a stack of scratch off lottery tickets.  Most machines are set to return 92% of the total wager bet.  Short term wins are possible, but play long enough and you will end up in that 8% loss column.  To maintain the required 92% return they employ various schemes like a dancing fairy that changes the draw hand or match card bonus points to keep the return legal.  Entertainment yes, gambling not hardly.
 
While it is true that we have discussed how one should never, ever, play a class 2 vp machine, i think the jury is still out on the opinion as to whether the slot games are playable(if slots interest you-they don't do anything for me). Take a look at the monthly payback percentages for your casino(published in casino player, strictly slots, etc.) and you will see a number typically(nevada/miss. excluded) between 90-92%. Now do the math. Most of these places(Atlantic City, Connecticut, Mich.,etc.) have a vp inventory that returns overall about 98%, with perfect play. We know that the majority of players are not playing perfectly, so that 98% number probably will translate into 95%. If the overall payback percentage is 92% for a given casino, and we can deduce that the v.p. component is worth 95%, what does that leave the slot percentage at? 89%, right? No, because slots comprise more than half of the machine inventory. Probably 87 or 88% would be most accurate. If i were a slot player, i think i would have to give strong consideration to that 92% payback at the racino.
 
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[valden]

The hard rock in Fla. has class II machines. I have never won there but if people didn't win, don't you think the casinos would close. There has to be a payout that is decent to keep people coming back. Oui or Non.