RNG Questions

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OTABILL
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Re: RNG Questions

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Webman wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 9:44 am
Removing link above as it does reference online gambling rather than gambling in casinos and contains many links to affiliated web sites. I realize this was likely unintentional.
It was unintentional. I was just looking for an article that referenced PRNGs vis-à-vis VP. Hard to find a recent one that does not mention online. Thanks for catching it.

BTW, I posted on this subject in 2014, ( RNGs & Randomness - Food for Thought). Still relevant and acceptable links to articles. https://www.videopoker.com/forum/viewto ... lit=pseudo

In particular, while dated, this article "Gaming Regulation and Mathematics: A Marriage of Necessity, 35 J. Marshall L. Rev. 333 (2002)" referenced there is still of interest. https://repository.jmls.edu/cgi/viewcon ... =lawreview

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Post by FloridaPhil »

Does it matter how the cards are dealt? Could anyone tell if they weren't dealt randomly? As a programmer, I've thought about how to do this for years. I'm not sure anyone can write a program that produces perfectly random numbers.

I guess we could pick the cards from the numerical representation of sun spots? If we did, there would still be good and bad streaks just like there is now and there would still be players who think the casino is cheating them. The only action a player can take if they believe the games are unfair is to not play the game. I have only seen one such situation so far and I left the premises.

Moving the best paying machines to uncomfortable areas of the casino is not cheating. Poor machine maintenance is not cheating. Lowering the odds and comps is not cheating. All of these are ways in which today's casinos increase their edge. My slot manager probably thinks someone tying up an expensive machine all day playing 25 cents a hand is cheating. As long as it's allowed, it's not.

These issues have more significance when you are playing video poker for big money. If I miss a $50 quad deuce because a hold button doesn't work right, no big loss. If I miss the same hand for the same reason at $10 a coin, it could cost me $10,000. Caveat Emptor
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Post by Eduardo »

That's why I don't play $10 a coin. Faulty hold buttons. :lol:

I've never blamed a machine for screwing up my hold. If a machine has lousy buttons I move to a different machine.

If all the machines in a casino had lousy buttons I would let them know their machines are awful and go somewhere else.

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Post by FloridaPhil »

Eduardo wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 12:49 pm
If all the machines in a casino had lousy buttons I would let them know their machines are awful and go somewhere else.
Me too. The casino owns the machines and they make the rules. If you don't like their machines or their rules, play where you do.

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An FP quote 5/3/19 9:10 AM "If a keyboard in a casino is causing player errors and the casino knows it, isn't that cheating"

An FP quote 5/3/19 12:28 PM "Poor machine maintenance is not cheating"

A little more time between contradictory statements might help.
Probably not. :lol: :lol:

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I'll tell you what I will do, next time the IGT guys are in my place I will pose the question to them. I'll also talk to some of the folks who work in both gaming and maintenance at the casinos, a lot of them come in on a daily basis.The Gaming Commission folks come in sometimes and they are located right across the street from my location. In over 20 years of going to casinos I've never actually seen test being run on either a vp machine or slot, that's not to say it doesn't happen. I did get a kick out of what billyryan said about as to why professional vp players don't post here, I have never met a PVP in my entire life. If PVP's do exist I'd love to see one attempt to make a living playing in this area.

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I'mnotfrank wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 4:41 pm
I'll tell you what I will do, next time the IGT guys are in my place I will pose the question to them. I'll also talk to some of the folks who work in both gaming and maintenance at the casinos, a lot of them come in on a daily basis.The Gaming Commission folks come in sometimes and they are located right across the street from my location. In over 20 years of going to casinos I've never actually seen test being run on either a vp machine or slot, that's not to say it doesn't happen. I did get a kick out of what billyryan said about as to why professional vp players don't post here, I have never met a PVP in my entire life. If PVP's do exist I'd love to see one attempt to make a living playing in this area.
Excellent idea. The integrity of the game we play is important to many of us pilgrims on the road to whatever.
Rec. players here looking forward to your feedback on this issue.
Oh never mind about BR , he sometimes misses the mark, or his meds i'm not sure which today,but his reputation precedes him.

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Post by billryan »

tech58 wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 5:04 pm
I'mnotfrank wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 4:41 pm
I'll tell you what I will do, next time the IGT guys are in my place I will pose the question to them. I'll also talk to some of the folks who work in both gaming and maintenance at the casinos, a lot of them come in on a daily basis.The Gaming Commission folks come in sometimes and they are located right across the street from my location. In over 20 years of going to casinos I've never actually seen test being run on either a vp machine or slot, that's not to say it doesn't happen. I did get a kick out of what billyryan said about as to why professional vp players don't post here, I have never met a PVP in my entire life. If PVP's do exist I'd love to see one attempt to make a living playing in this area.
Excellent idea. The integrity of the game we play is important to many of us pilgrims on the road to whatever.
Rec. players here looking forward to your feedback on this issue.
Oh never mind about BR , he sometimes misses the mark, or his meds i'm not sure which today,but his reputation precedes him.
Didn't you just get finished apologizing to me for your attack on me because you knew I was wrong except it turned out I wasn't?
Insults certainly help you prove your point.

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I'mnotfrank wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 4:41 pm
I'll tell you what I will do, next time the IGT guys are in my place I will pose the question to them. I'll also talk to some of the folks who work in both gaming and maintenance at the casinos, a lot of them come in on a daily basis.The Gaming Commission folks come in sometimes and they are located right across the street from my location. In over 20 years of going to casinos I've never actually seen test being run on either a vp machine or slot, that's not to say it doesn't happen. I did get a kick out of what billyryan said about as to why professional vp players don't post here, I have never met a PVP in my entire life. If PVP's do exist I'd love to see one attempt to make a living playing in this area.
Do you think there is a casino anywhere that does not offer a opportunity to AP? That not a single person is playing with an advantage at your local casino?
I imagine machines are certified before they are installed.

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tech58 wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 3:42 pm
An FP quote 5/3/19 9:10 AM "If a keyboard in a casino is causing player errors and the casino knows it, isn't that cheating"

An FP quote 5/3/19 12:28 PM "Poor machine maintenance is not cheating"

A little more time between contradictory statements might help.
Probably not. :lol: :lol:
Excellent post!!

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