Bizarro World 2023

[FAA]

Yes, $117 for that package was a good deal. Hey, just a $12 hourly loss! If only our abused machines were maintained to immaculate specifications. The machine I did well on this week had a stuck end button. I had to touch screen the card whenever necessary. I wonder if a butter knife would have dislodged it. More likely, I’d be liable for damages. I should have called slot service at the end.

[dinghy]

Yes, $117 for that package was a good deal.

Indeed, but it's doubtful he "earned" it on that trip. The marketing computer is still inhaling the fumes of his earlier largesse.

[olds442jetaway]

True, but I can also go and not play at all if I wish and still eat and enjoy other amenities. I did a quick search. About 100 overnights a year, loss about 25k. Still comes out to only 250 per trip. And that doesn’t count free gas, shows, giveaways etc. A good deal in my book

[olds442jetaway]

I’ve been running into that stuck deal button a lot lately frustrating going back-and-forth between buttons in the glass. I find it more on the new cheaply made machines not on the old iron horses. They are nice looking in the buttons, for the most part are larger and I like the curved screen, but nothings made as good as the ones made 25 or 30 years ago.

[dinghy]

About 100 overnights a year, loss about 25k. Still comes out to only 250 per trip. And that doesn’t count free gas, shows, giveaways etc. A good deal in my book

Yes, you're giving them about $250 of theo (and actual) loss per hotel stay.

I inferred that this particular theo loss was much <$250.

No Royal, not even Deuces. Only a 96 percent machine. Lost 117 bucks,

If you lost 117 (and the free play) without hitting anything, it suggests a low theo attainment.

At almost any casino resort, it can be hard for nickel or dime denom players to obtain free rooms. Does your lucky wife earn freebies under her own account?

I find it more on the new cheaply made machines not on the old iron horses.

Same here. So many technological advancements, but buttons have regressed. I guess it could be cheap construction, as you're maybe suggesting.

[olds442jetaway]

Mohegan Sun keeps track of your exact coin in loss as long as your card was in. That’s good. The free play on nickels and dimes is less, but the wife still gets a little depending on what tier level. I could be wrong, but they may calculate based on actual coin in. Some of those nickel machines with 20 lines 25 bucks a deal and double that if multipliers are involved. The only thing about that I know is you do earn tier points at a higher rate than the lower cards. The bean counters have it all figured out I guess. I find that both the quality of the plastic buttons and the springs underneath are not as durable as the old ones. I had to make my own replacement to slip over the button covers that disintegrate or go missing. Otherwise you have the light that blinds you below the cover and also the button itself is hard to operate without the cover and very easy to make a mistake. Usually if you call a slot attendant, they will try to hunt up one and fix it but that could waste a lot of time. in a pinch. I have had buttons fall apart while I was using them especially the deal Button. You can stuff it with tissues but it’s no long-term fix. Since August 2011 you still get no spendable points on most 98 percent and all 99 percent machines as far as I know. I think my actual cost per trip counting free play as cash and free gas as cash is about 200 bucks , but if you count the following day after a stay over, as another session, my actual out of pocket per gaming day is about 125-150 bucks. We almost always play less after an overnight since there is too much to do and not enough hours in the day to do it.

[olds442jetaway]

Only 2 small hand pays in September and none in October. That is probably approaching or is a record. No time to check for sure. Partly due to lower denomination play, but my coin in has been consistent if not more than average. Much more multi line play with very poor results. I think I have learned my lesson and will be going back to mostly single line play or at most 3 lines
Many people do great with multi line play. I never have. One needs those dealt top paying hands for the really big jackpots in general.

[dinghy]

I could be wrong, but they may calculate based on actual coin in. Some of those nickel machines with 20 lines 25 bucks a deal and double that if multipliers are involved. The only thing about that I know is you do earn tier points at a higher rate than the lower cards. The bean counters have it all figured out I guess.

They hope so anyway.

I'm not disputing the significance of coin in. I just didn't have the data on it.

By now, almost every players club has some mechanism for rewarding bad games more than good ones. In Vegas, South Point still awards points at a uniform rate on all machines, but when they have a promo such as gifts or spins, they usually require a higher point qualification for vp than slots.

And South Point sends better mailers to losers, which is an indirect way of rewarding players of bad games because they're more likely to lose.

[Tedlark]

And South Point sends better mailers to losers, which is an indirect way of rewarding players of bad games because they're more likely to lose.

Does this mean that losers get 200 thread count sheets instead of 100 thread count winners get?

[dinghy]

Much more multi line play with very poor results. I think I have learned my lesson and will be going back to mostly single line play or at most 3 lines

I feel like we've been through this before.

If you don't want 96 to 98% results, don't play 96 to 98% games.

Many people do great with multi line play.

Multi lines smooth out variance, so you're more tethered to the theoretical EV imo. That's a good thing on a full-pay multi line game with good slot club benefits, but you don't have good multi line options at MS -- at least that you've identified.

Many multi line games (Ultimate X, Super Times Pay, etc) are equipped with bonus features that detonate the volatility. That's where many big wins come from, but you're less likely to hear about the huge losses at the other end of the seesaw.