We can't win for loosing

Post by **Dowrad** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:12 pm

After 35 years of playing everything from BJ, to Craps and now VP, the casinos find a way to shift the odds back to them. I was a good card counter, then switched to craps when casinos changed the game and made it to hard for the weekend player. Craps is fun but the house is up on every bet except the pass-line odds bet, now just as I am happy and setteling in the VP games the Casinos hit us once more.
I just spent the last 9 days at Harrahs laughlin and was comped my room for the 8 nights before I went, due to past play by the wife and I. We did ok on the VP games, by winning a little over $900.00 on this trip (BUT it could be my last comped trip) Laughlin has FP VP games everywhere except Harrahs and you will find signs telling you the 100% ++ payback on the VP machines I now find it very hard to keep my playing level high enough to get comps. I have found casinos players clubs cutting your playing credits by as much as 75% on VP machines, but if you play reel slots you receive the standard points.
Most of my winning play was not at Harrahs, but I found the JOB 7/5 machines filled every night with people playing. They do have 8/5 also if you look, most do not take the time. A note on Harrahs, they have the highest hold on slots. This comming from someone who leases and installs
for them, they are also loosing money and close to selling off more casinos to keep cash in house.
Just my rant from a VP fan player who liked the way it was, and you could find a FP VP on any dollar machine and get full player credits at the same time.

Post by **TEXACO** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:02 am

DOWRAD: WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD! HERE IN THE MIDWEST AT HARRAH'S St. LOUIS THEY HAVE "1" EACH OF THE FULL PAY MACHINE'S IN "25-CENTS" AND UP, THIS ALLOWS THEM TO CLAIM FULL PAY VP, BUT GOOD LUCK ON GETTING A SEAT. COMP RATE ON VP HERE IS I/2 OF SLOTS.

Post by **royal flush** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:15 am

yes harrahs downgraded its 5c 50 play 9/6 job to 8/5 thats why i am giving up my diamond.get whatever rooms you can get then stiff them

Post by **ginxxxx** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:06 pm

yes harrahs downgraded its 5c 50 play 9/6 job to 8/5 thats why i am giving up my diamond.get whatever rooms you can get then stiff themGood one! They have downgraded my husband (the cooler) and me from our prior status, but it would not stop me from taking comped rooms @ the Paris or Rio.BTW I might be switching to the Venetian - just for the great rooms...good luck all.

Post by **Lucky Larry** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:09 am

The casino industry is similar in my humble opinion to the banking/credit card industry. They took extreme risks (building every bigger/more expensive casinos) and now to make up for short term profits they have hurt the very customers they rely on. Perhaps they think they are too big to fail. Goodbye Harrahs! I'm not sure I will miss you now that you have killed the option for me to have a fair chance at VP. We may stay at Harrah's properties but we've been playing at 100% casinos. Why not stay at Red Rock and earn the comps? So that is what we had begun to do.

Unfortunately, many gamblers don't care or know the odds they are betting against. Hey, what are the odds on that Lottery Ticket? The slot director at our favorite casino brings in all the newest slots but argues with us he can't make the rent on VP machines. Besides VP returns are too high, it's killing him. He doesn't understand that the only reason we play there is for the high pay tables even though we tell him that.

Probably wouldn't hurt if some of the big dogs failed and the competition became more "consumer oriented". We can always hope!

LL

Post by **royal flush** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:59 am

do what i do use up the comps as i am with harrahs and play at places with better games get a slot card and build comps with new casino before harrahs cut you off

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