royal flush

[pokeherguy]

Why would you find it difficult to believe? The fact is I've played VP in Mo., Ar., Ms., Ok., and La. over those 16 years and have never ever seen a GameKing single line 10 coin machine. Every VP machine I have ever sat down at is 5 coin max bet with a payout of 4,000 credits for a RF. My point was about the idea being for 10 credits the RF pays 8,000 credits but for 5 coins it was 1,500 credits, for the same 5 coin bet the Aces w/kicker paid 2,000 credits, so you tell me why the value of a RF is trumped by any other hand regardless of the coin amount played. If you read the last line of my previous post you will see where I said "it's there to be seen, but shouldn't be allowed".

[Casino Knight]

Not picking nits, but I've played up to 100 coins max on a single line machine Game King, but not on purpose.Wynn, had them put in at both the Mirage and TI. But they were 4000 coin for Royals.My first encounter was at the TI where my benji evaporated when I hit max coins. Luckily I caught a pair of J's and cashed out.CK

[shadowman]

I have played on both 10 and 20 coin machines. In all cases it took the max bet to get extra value for the RF. My first encounter was several years ago and I took a little time to study the paytable. Since then I have had no problems. It just takes some time to get in sync. 

[Eduardo]

Yes, it's only confusing at first, but that's enough for me.
 
I think Palazzo may have had 20 credit machines. That made all the payouts funny... royal flush would be worth 16000 for instance. And your usual payout of 5 credits would be 20. Very hard to get used to.

[faygo]

AC has a Double Joker Wild Single Line game. Takes 10 quarters to load for a 10,000 coin Royal. All other payouts, with the exception of the Royal, are double of the 5 coin payout.

[onemoretry]

. I thought it was a given fact that a RF was the ultimate hand regardless of the amount of credits played and it should carry the highest payout.
RF is not always the ultimate hand.  In triple double bonus poker, for example, four aces with kicker pays the same as a RF at full coin.
 
There are some jokers wild games that pay more for five of a kind than for a RF.

[pokeherguy]

I do play a bit of TDB and have hit both the RF and aces w/kicker for $8K while playing $2 denom at 5 credits and hit  also the same with the $1 denom at 5 credits for $4K each. I don't play Joker poker or dueces wild but we have both games in our area casinos but both are 5 credit max max games and the RF still pays 4,000 credits. I brought it up because the game was "DDB" not Joker Poker or any other game, and I have never seen this game (DDB) anywhere that carried a higher payout for aces w/kicker, you may have seen them but they are new to me.

[onemoretry]

My apologies.  I did not realize that your statement about RFs being the ultimate hand was meant to apply to DDB only.  As well, I should have acknowledged that, while I have seen many 10 and 20 coin machines (some of which, almost unbelievedly, gave the full RF payout no matter how many coins were played), they are a strange animal to some people. 

A lesson to be learned from all this is that each and every time we sit down at a video poker machine we should check the entire pay scale (not just full houses, flushes, and straights), to ensure we have the right game.
 
I have also seen, for example, so-called 9/6 JOB with the RF shorted to 2500 at full coin. 
 
While some people may think such tactics are underhanded, whose fault is it if we play a game with a substandard pay scale when full disclosure of that pay scale is right there before our eyes?

[pokeherguy]

No need to apologize, I was out of my comfort zone far away from home and took for granted things like this were abnormal. I've got around 9 casinos within a 90 minute drive from my house, two on which are closer than that, so I get to play often. I'm pretty much set in my ways and play DDB at the $2 denom with a little bit of TDB. When things are rough I drop down to the $1 denom, when things are good I'll get crazy and play some $5 denom but it's almost always DDB. The competition with the casinos may play a role as to why this kind of thing is not going on here. I have seen some drop in payback percentage on certain machines, for a while there were a few single line 50 and 100 play play machines but they sisn't last long because of lack of play. Around these parts 5 credits is considered max and there is no funny business with the RF and 10 credits . I have my choice of tons of VP machines all of which offer DDB and a payout of 4,000 credits for a 5 coin bet with the xception of the progressive VP which starts the RF at 4,000 with the 5 coin max bet and goes uo from there. You're right about a lesson to be learned, but I still think it's shady to say the least.

[rascal]

In states that require safety stickers on vehicles, highway patrolmen are trained by the power of "repetition". In other words, instead of looking for an expired safety sticker as cars whiz by, they look for a break in the repetition of non-expired safety stickers. This explains how a highway patrolman can spot a sticker violation at high speed on the other side of the freeway.
 
Use this same system whenever you move to a different machine. Just quickly scan the entire paytable and get very accustomed to the correct payouts. If you do this without fail, from top to bottom, every single time you change machines, "rip-off" paytables will jump out at you. By repeatedly scanning tables even on those machines that you play frequently and already know to be ok, you will get better and better at the "repetition" system of quickly spotting irregularities.
 
If every VP player in America would refuse to play machines with "rip-off" paytables, those machines would disappear. Unfortunately, ignorant or lazy or drunken players continue to patronize "rip-off" machines. Beau Rivage Casino in Biloxi is a good example: they have horrible VP paytables in many cases, yet the casino is always crowded with people eager to give their money away. I cannot figure this out for the life of me.