Turning $20 into $1,000 Again...

[notes1]

kk, the 'computer' folks argued that any 'hyper' RNG would simply be an effort to make the machine more random. i have read before that asking a 'chip' to be random is quite difficult and there is no such thing as random. apparently, the computer does not understand random. i am way out of my league in discussing computers, i am just repeating what others have said.  but, there were others, who like many of us, feel something has changed, but cannot put their finger on it. let's just accept this, no casino is going to introduce a new game, a new technology or anything else, if it had any chance of causing them to have a reduced advantage.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=notes1]let's just accept this, no casino is going to introduce a new game, a
new technology or anything else, if it had any chance of causing them to
have a reduced advantage.[/quote]I do not believe a casino would risk losing their license by doing anything to a video poker machine that would reduce the posted payout.  However, longer dry spells and grouping jackpots would bust more players.   I'm not sure how this benefits the casino as they have to pay it out anyway.  Maybe grouping them tempts players to give it back instead of walking? I'm still up in the air about single coin play paying better.  My brain tells me they can't do that, but my eyes and my wallet are seeing something different.  Being legal all depends upon the effectiveness of the regulator's inspection.  I don't think anyone including the regulators really have a good definition of random and how to test for it.  I think there is a huge amount of leeway given here and  small tweaks are most likely undetectable.  The answer as far as I'm concerned is to think outside the box and try something different instead of pounding away with the same old tired strategy hoping things go back to the way they were.

[ko king]

kk, the 'computer' folks argued that any 'hyper' RNG would simply be an effort to make the machine more random. i have read before that asking a 'chip' to be random is quite difficult and there is no such thing as random. apparently, the computer does not understand random. i am way out of my league in discussing computers, i am just repeating what others have said.  but, there were others, who like many of us, feel something has changed, but cannot put their finger on it. let's just accept this, no casino is going to introduce a new game, a new technology or anything else, if it had any chance of causing them to have a reduced advantage.

Well the computer folks can defend such a change (if it does exist) however they choose. I ask you and anyone else who might read this post, "did you ever have a problem with what was considered to be "random" in the video poker world in the first place"? I understand and so do you that true "randomness" cannot be achieved by something created, I think that's why most regs use the word "appearance" if I'm not mistaken. You also make a very point about the fact that there isn't a casino anywhere in the world that would introduce new technology into the market that might have the slightest possibility they might see a reduced advantage. I'll go a bit further and say that the chances are high that any new advanced technology would be for their benefit not players. I also ask this question before, who ask for this new technology, I sure didn't and if it exist I sure don't approve or like it. Don't know how long you have been on this site but over the years, the same people you said argue that the new "hyper RNG" would just be an effort to make the game more "random" are the same exact folks that have said for many years that the game was completely "random" in the first place. I've seen them use the words "completely random" over and over again, so how can completely random be improved or changed to begin with? The only answer is it wasn't "completely random" in the first place. Maybe some of them will show up to defend their words (not mine).

[FAA]

Oh yeah. Max betting upon arrival is usually ineffective. Though my Royal came within the first five hands bet and I went max bet by hand three. I love single coin betting with the occasional bold bet sprinkled in. So happy when it buys me even another ten min bets. Rope a Dope lives!

[Tedlark]

My personal record for fastest royal hit is: 4 minutes into the session. I sat down at a machine and began play, hit the royal 4minutes in, cashed out and walked over to the poker room and gave my then girlfriend half of the G. This was on a Sunday morning and we were leaving for Las Vegas that upcoming Thursday. I wanted to have the extra $500.00 for Las Vegas instead of Majestic Star Gary, Indiana anyway.

[olds442jetaway]

Since I am constantly playing a mental tug of war with the Phil method and my own Martingale clone method, my next trip should be fun and combine both with and keeping low budgets in mind. There are 5 cent Deuces wild machines I can play at Mohegan Sun that allow up to 40 coins bet. That gives me the opening for Martingale clone. Instead of starting with one one coin, I will start with 5 nickels in case I catch the Royal on a Deuces wild game. On every hit of 4 or more, I will bet just one more nickel. So the first time I try it, after hitting a win of 4 or more at 5, I will bet 6 nickels on the next hand...Win, stay there until a loss...Lose, just go back to 5 nickels which is the same as a quarter on single coin play. Next time I win 4 or more at the bet 5 level and have already lost before some hands back at bet 6 on the following bet, bet 7 and so forth. Hopefully, I won't have to go all the way up to bet 40 without a nice hit, but playing this way should eliminate my mental tug of war, be low budget, and have some fun. Granted, these are only 96% machines, so I am ready for a few lumps, but also ready to get lucky and have some fun. Maybe tonight, after the folks are all tucked in.

     Edited to add a dream or two....Hey 4 deuces even at 5 nickels bet is still 50 bucks...A Royal at 40 nickels bet is a whopping 32,000 nickels or 1,600 bucks. I will be happy anywhere in between.

[FloridaPhil]

"Random" means anything can and does happen. If I walk into the high limit slots, put in $20 and pull out $1,000 every week for the next 3 years, it's still random. (In my dreams!)  Anyway, I'm off to the Hard Rock this morning.  Get your cameras ready... 

[ko king]

"Random" means anything can and does happen. If I walk into the high limit slots, put in $20 and pull out $1,000 every week for the next 3 years, it's still random. (In my dreams!)  Anyway, I'm off to the Hard Rock this morning.  Get your cameras ready... 



I think we both know that kind of "random" doesn't happen. We quit doing it but for the longest time me and the brother in law would put up $100 each and hit the high limit slots, best I can remember we won $1,200 once. We would play the $10 denomination at max play which was $20 a push, sometimes we would only get 10 pushes, that's the kind of random I usually got playing slots.

[notes1]

i think it is interesting that the term 'ramdom', can be used as both a shield and a sword.  if one mentions how anything postitve can happen, there are folks who point out how unlikely the randomness of that happening. and, for folks who point out the negative side of random, there are those who point out, how anything is possible. once in a while, the overly optimistic hit it big in life, but more often, they are the ones knocking on someone's door, looking for a rescue. and, that door is often the taxpayer. i have always believed, 'hope for the best, but plan for something else'.  

[FAA]

vpfree2 does not even list any reports of nickel games on the East Coast. I'm okay with single line quarter JOB at varying bet levels. But it would be nice to see options. I guess none qualify as worthy of their Best Games column. I've officially lost curiosity about Sands now that I see their killer 96.15% JOB listing.