differnce between a VP pro and other pros

[notes1]

if you are a profesional athlete, there are lots of current stats that support your record. if you are an investment pro, your previous performance is available. if you are a professional politican, your voting record is there for all to see. even pro poker players are often measured by the number of braclets/tournaments they have publicly won. warren buffett needs to prove his investment talents everyday. a baseball owner is interested in what a player has done recently. our employers want to know have you accomplished today, not years ago.  but, anyone can call themselves are VP pro, they can claim to beat the casinos, but never offer any proof. some are even arrogant enough to demean anyone who questions their claims. try telling your boss they need to do what you say, without any evidence to prove your postion.  if one is an accomplished VP player, makes money, wishes to keep their secrets to themselves, great. but, if you are openly bragging about your success, want to make money off that apparent success, i would think one would want to have an independent 3rd party verify what you are stating. it would only enhance your claims and prove all the doubters wrong.  

[olds442jetaway]

It is certainly a lot easier to prove our losses....Hmmmm...Comps aside, I seriously doubt that over a period of say five years or more, there is anyone who could make a living at vp or even regular gas money. Speaking of gas money, if we all had the needed discipline, most of us would be ahead gas money almost every trip. Unfortunately, the fun and thrill of trying to hit those premium hands could end 5 minutes after sitting down to play if we quit when we made coffee or gas money. If such a vp pro and or super lucky player does exist however, I wish them the best.

[ko king]

if you are a profesional athlete, there are lots of current stats that support your record. if you are an investment pro, your previous performance is available. if you are a professional politican, your voting record is there for all to see. even pro poker players are often measured by the number of braclets/tournaments they have publicly won.

 
warren buffett needs to prove his investment talents everyday. a baseball owner is interested in what a player has done recently. our employers want to know have you accomplished today, not years ago.
 
 but, anyone can call themselves are VP pro, they can claim to beat the casinos, but never offer any proof. some are even arrogant enough to demean anyone who questions their claims. try telling your boss they need to do what you say, without any evidence to prove your postion.

 
 
if one is an accomplished VP player, makes money, wishes to keep their secrets to themselves, great. but, if you are openly bragging about your success, want to make money off that apparent success, i would think one would want to have an independent 3rd party verify what you are stating. it would only enhance your claims and prove all the doubters wrong.  




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
I'm on your side with this one, I won't be buying into anything unless I see some real truth, which by the way I doubt really exist. I've played and studied this game for years and I can't imagine what I might be be missing that would all of the sudden turn me into an overnight success. Show me some real evidence and I'm a buyer, without that you're nothing more than another snake oil salesman.

[misterlister]

I'm guessing you're scaring away Bob Dancer with this one. The only thing I think he's ever proved is how tough it is to stay married for very long when you run out to the casinos every day.

[alpax]

I have played various games at the casino for years to know that the casino industry views texas holdem tournament players as the only acceptable professional gambler. Even they take some stake at least 5% rake in that business. The cameras are focused on card counters, and even if you joking admit to being one, you could risk being 86'ed. Michael Shackleford of Wizard Of Odds does say VP pros exist and I'll take his word.

Doing a lot of backtracking on these forums, there have a few professionals come by here. The most reasonable one I've seen is Frank Kneeland who focuses on playing on progressives when the meter is high, and adjusting the strategy of a game to maximize the return with respect to the progressive. The part I respect was that he was realistic that one who pursues that route has to face stiff competition from video poker teams that take up all the seats once it the meters are running positive EV play.

I've have not seen or heard of anyone who has come close to attempting to replicating Bob Dancer's generally available strategy in EVERY aspect and saying they've failed. I knew quickly that he must do some underhanded things that are not mentioned to even have some shot. Any reasonable business man will not give away his trade secrets, those that pursue it will be seen as a competitor. I was personally surprised that people think he needs to share his success to help sell products as the market demand for video poker products is not as high as consumer hygiene products.

I look at Bob Dancer as a Video Poker Instructor to understand the game of video poker, nothing more and nothing less. That is all I am looking for in the person.

[onemoretry]

I'm guessing you're scaring away Bob Dancer with this one. The only thing I think he's ever proved is how tough it is to stay married for very long when you run out to the casinos every day.

Perhaps you could elaborate on what your definition of "very long" is?

[notes1]

in our society, it is common practice that one who claims certain achievements, to produce verification of that accomplishment. tell folks you can run the 3 minute mile, it is a normal response to require proof. tell folks that you average over $100k/year from just playing the VP machines in the modern era, it is not an unreasonable request to ask for proof for the past 5 years. if one does not want to provide such independent proof, i understand, just do not fault someone for doubting such a rare accomplishment. no one is asking for coke's secret receipe or one to answer how they do it. as far as teaching/offering advice for payment, the bar is set much lower. as stated before, i believe he povides credible advice, knows his stuff and is a terrific salesperson. anyone who wishes to pay for that, go right ahead.   

[ravenbynight111]

I think you are 95% true in your statement. there was a man that I know that was making a great living playing vp, but that was all pre 2007.Comps were great, cash back from the casinos and there marketing company, Now days it is very tough, personally I think the casino industry gets away with murder. I am fully convinced the casinos do not pay near the return, they are suppose to.

[notes1]

I think you are 95% true in your statement. there was a man that I know that was making a great living playing vp, but that was all pre 2007.Comps were great, cash back from the casinos and there marketing company, Now days it is very tough, personally I think the casino industry gets away with murder. I am fully convinced the casinos do not pay near the return, they are suppose to.
 never been 95% right before, that is a new one. txs. be careful what you say, you are likely to be booooed by some, for voicing anything but unquestioned trust in the casinos/machines/regulaors. 

[alpax]

Will those pre-2007 days ever come back??? I heard many good stories of those days.