Why are you doing that?

[olds442jetaway]

I had been doing poorly on Phil's method for quite a while, though I will admit my losses were much less than my usual misadventures. On one of my most recent trips however, I hit deuces quads 3 times one of them being at max on quarters. Now only if that day I hadn't reverted to my usual method after the hits. Anyway, that said, I have made minor adjustments to Phil's method and I think he may even tinker with these himself. Here they are and they worked nicely the day I hit the deuces quads three times.
1. On a hit of 4, I play 5 coins one time if the bet at 5 is a loss.

2. On a hit of a straight flush, I play 5 coins until I have 2 consecutive losses.

3. On a hit of 5 of a kind or a Wild Royal, I will play 5 until I have 3 consecutive losses.

4. If I hit Deuces quads, I cash out and either take a break or try another machine.

[FAA]

On a hit of a straight flush, I quit for the day! Personal quirk. It's a 9100 to one event and a big deal on JOB. I'll just enjoy the fifty to sixty bucks, photo and memory.

[wildman49]

I had been doing poorly on Phil's method for quite a while, though I will admit my losses were much less than my usual misadventures. On one of my most recent trips however, I hit deuces quads 3 times one of them being at max on quarters. Now only if that day I hadn't reverted to my usual method after the hits. Anyway, that said, I have made minor adjustments to Phil's method and I think he may even tinker with these himself. Here they are and they worked nicely the day I hit the deuces quads three times.
1. On a hit of 4, I play 5 coins one time if the bet at 5 is a loss.

2. On a hit of a straight flush, I play 5 coins until I have 2 consecutive losses.

3. On a hit of 5 of a kind or a Wild Royal, I will play 5 until I have 3 consecutive losses.

4. If I hit Deuces quads, I cash out and either take a break or try another machine.
Olds I got to tell you the streak of no royals is no bad luck there has got to be more to it. I don't understand it at all. I have had a streak of royals I can't explain. Not trying to rub it in just sharing my results. I have had 6 royals this month and in the past one year playing Phil's system and some of my own on job and bpdlx I have had 17 the past 12 months most all at the minimum bet. There has to be an answer to the big gap from your play to mine other the good luck bad luck. 

[FAA]

Wildman, that is a tremendous run. I do think cheaping it out will yield a plethora of one coin RFs. Phil has certainly had more than he can count. Your hand volume must be up there. How many hours would you estimate playing this month?

[wildman49]

Wildman, that is a tremendous run. I do think cheaping it out will yield a plethora of one coin RFs. Phil has certainly had more than he can count. Your hand volume must be up there. How many hours would you estimate playing this month?

About 75 hours 2 trips was there more than 12 hours each time for drawings.

[FAA]

Interesting. 75 hours must mean 45,000 hands for you. A couple of RFs, being generous. Six is insanely lucky. But I'd like to have a crack with this experiment to see my yield. The cost appears reasonable.

[olds442jetaway]

[QUOTE=olds442jetaway]I had been doing poorly on Phil's method for quite a while, though I will admit my losses were much less than my usual misadventures. On one of my most recent trips however, I hit deuces quads 3 times one of them being at max on quarters. Now only if that day I hadn't reverted to my usual method after the hits. Anyway, that said, I have made minor adjustments to Phil's method and I think he may even tinker with these himself. Here they are and they worked nicely the day I hit the deuces quads three times.
1. On a hit of 4, I play 5 coins one time if the bet at 5 is a loss.

2. On a hit of a straight flush, I play 5 coins until I have 2 consecutive losses.

3. On a hit of 5 of a kind or a Wild Royal, I will play 5 until I have 3 consecutive losses.

4. If I hit Deuces quads, I cash out and either take a break or try another machine.
Olds I got to tell you the streak of no royals is no bad luck there has got to be more to it. I don't understand it at all. I have had a streak of royals I can't explain. Not trying to rub it in just sharing my results. I have had 6 royals this month and in the past one year playing Phil's system and some of my own on job and bpdlx I have had 17 the past 12 months most all at the minimum bet. There has to be an answer to the big gap from your play to mine other the good luck bad luck. 

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     I would almost have to agree with you if it weren't for a couple of other things. I play quite a bit of Wolf vp mainly because I don't have to be on line to play and I can save my game for the next time. Of course it is for practice only. My Royalless streak on Wolf vp is nearly as bad as the real one up at Mohegan. Everything else appears to be hitting on schedule both in practice and real play at the casino. That is why for the most part I have to concentrate on hitting deuces quads and forgetting about the Royal. If I get one fine, but I'm not counting on it anymore at all. I do have another option that will pay me the same as a Royal in roughly the same number of hands played. Mohegan Sun still has a few of the Double Down Stud games where Deuces Wild and Bonus Deuces Wild is available. Hitting the quad deuces will pay me the same at a Royal in job after doubling on the first 4 cards. Unfortunately, the paytable is less than 98% so in a long session without anything big, you really suffer. On the plus side if there is one, you can play double the number of hands in the same amount of time as draw poker. That game treated me pretty well last year, but not so good this year. I have a tendency to play too many quarters on this game. If I can get my discipline in order on this game, I would do pretty well with it. Edited to add....If I remember it is in the 50k hand range that quad deuces hits on the Double Down Stud game. Hitting a Royal with 5 in pays 5k after doubling. Unfortunately, probability of it is nearly 1 in 700k. I should hit one a year though with the number of hands I play. Hasn't happened in the last few years unfortunately.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=wildman49]I have had 6 royals this month and in the past one year playing Phil's
system and some of my own on job and bpdlx I have had 17 the past 12
months most all at the minimum bet.[/quote]I have no idea why this happens, but I've hit 2 single coin royals in the past month myself.  One was dealt to me.  I had moved up to dollars on all of them, so I was pretty happy with $250 each.  I hope this means I'm getting closer to another $4K royal  (sweet!)  If you want to see some great jackpots, play single coin.   Honestly, I think it has more to do with the increased number of hands you can play with the same money than the single coin itself.[quote=Olds442jetaway]I have made minor adjustments to Phil's method and I think he may even tinker with these himself.[/quote]Yes, I have.  The biggest change I have made is to hang in there longer at max coins on a good run up. This seems to work much better than jumping back to single coin right away.  When you're playing quarters, staying a little longer doesn't hurt anything.

[pokerpokerpoker]

"Beatable" VP? Maybe not, but who here really hopes to "beat" the game?

Don't most of us just want to have a good time while keep looses within reason? Expecting to have many loosing sessions, balanced by a couple big winners, Throw in a few crab leg buffets and some FP to help close the gap - I can call it a square deal. I reckon many of us got sick of getting killed at the slots and decided to try something with a better return, VP.

But, I think I could play a year profitably. It would take a lot of discipline and scouting and little playing. Driving from casino to casino looking for good progessives on good paytables, preferably on drawing days or 5X point days. Playing a 99% game with a $6000 royal and a .25% meter with .1% cash back is a positive game - by anybody's definition. Does that guarantee a winner? Of course not, but it's a good gamble. If the royal is near reset, head to the next casino. Seems a lot like work.

I don't have the time or discipline though. If I see something decent, I start banging away.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=pokerpokerpoker]Don't most of us just want to have a good time while keep looses within
reason? Expecting to have many loosing sessions, balanced by a couple
big winners, Throw in a few crab leg buffets and some FP to help close
the gap - I can call it a square deal.[/quote]This is an excellent description of why playing max coins is a good choice for most occasional players.   I hope no one gets the impression that I think everyone should play the way I do. However, if you play as much as I do the cost of crab legs can get pretty high.  My goal is to play all day once a week with a $250 bankroll.  I don't want to go home early and I don't want to come home with empty pockets.  This demands a lot more "discipline" than some people think.   I created the Cheap Strategy to fit these demands and it works perfectly.  This is the 500 pound gorilla that the Bob Dancer followers are missing.  Everyone is not playing on the same playing field with the same goals.   Play the way you want, but be aware of your options.