Muti line play

[wildman49]

So lets say one is playing DW triple play. Now the deuces come in about every 5000 hands on single line play. If your on triple play does that mean 3 into 5000 about  1667 pulls the deuces might hit?

[alpax]

I would believe so since the cycles are reached much faster with multihand play. Also be careful when playing multihand gamees as olds has recently started thread, it might be more costly as most (not all) casinos will lower the pay schedules compared to its single line variant.

[FloridaPhil]

Yes. Tripling the number of hands played should cut the cycle time to 1/3.  I think the casinos get away with lesser odds on multi-line games because of the potential for a dealt jackpot.  For example, a dealt quarter three play quad deuce would pay $750 instead of $250 and a dealt royal would pay $3,000.  You are betting three times as much so it shouldn't make any difference, but some people will play any game put in front of them.  Pro's like multi-line games because they only play positive opportunities. From my experience, you need more money to play a multi-line game because everything is magnified.

[Vman96]

Yes. Tripling the number of hands played should cut the cycle time to 1/3. 


Roughly, but dealt deuces are 3 hits in one round, so the cycle is a bit longer than 1/3rd in terms of rounds of play.

For airport:

Single line: 1 in 5,347.73 rounds

Triple Play: 1 in 1,908.22 rounds

Ratio: 2.80

So seeing at least one quad deuce comes 2.8 times faster in triple play on average.

[Tedlark]

I disagree with the idea that deuces (using wildman's example) would hit faster on multi-line play. I may be wrong but because each hand is a separate deal then I think it would still be the normal cycle for each individual hand.

[Vman96]

   I disagree with the idea that deuces (using wildman's example) would hit faster on multi-line play. I may be wrong but because each hand is a separate deal then I think it would still be the normal cycle for each individual hand.

If you count each individual hand as one hand, then you're right, they're equal. But if you count each group of hands as one "round" then you'll see deuces at least once in a fewer number of dealt "rounds". The long term probabilities and returns are the same. It's just how you are counting the hands...individually? or in groups of 3?

[olds442jetaway]

     That just adds to my theory of why the casinos for the most part have worse paytables on Multiline games. It the average die hard vp player plays six to eight hours a session and appx 4,000 hands or so, he or she is still more likely than not to go home without hitting quad deuces. On the other hand, the same player playing 3 lines either in multiline or spin poker might in the long run hit an average quad deuces twice in a the same session as above.
     That does two things. The player can either quit while ahead because of those hits, or keep playing longer hoping for the Royal. I think that is what the casino is afraid of. I find the paytables particularly bad on multiline deuces wild games with 10/8 or 20/12/9/4/4 being quite common. They also tend to go for one of the old time paytables 25/16/13/4/3/2. They are all bad with the 10/8 one being the worst.
     Funny that this topic came up tonight. I am heading up to Mohegan Sun late tonight and will probably be playing the bad 25/16/4/3/2 paytable on spin poker with 3 lines on a nickel game. The only reason I am doing this is I am tired and bored with my test on job and also took a whoppin last session which went quadless on single coin dollars. That test as posted is over. Also this bank of nickel spin machines is the one that pays 800 for one for the Royal for a nickel bet. There are many games to choose from too in this bank with multipliers etc. vm and gf could have a ball with them for little money. Anyone can for that matter. They also offer dime, quarter, and dollar denominations in the same machine. The penalty of course is the poor paytables, but in the short run and with just a few bucks.....what the heck who knows...Got to make sure I get there before the bar closes since I am in the mood for some good micro brews which they have up there. I forget which ones, but will post back on the one or ones I try. Don't have to drive home tonight so might as well enjoy for a little while.

[wildman49]

Thanks for all the reply's, I'm on my cell phone typing away lol. Like olds am heading to the casino for an over nighter for the wife's birthday.

I was thinking like Ted, since you only hold cards at the one line one would think its the same odds as single line. I will have more on triple play trials I been working on tomorrow night when wife and I get home.

[onemoretry]

I was thinking like Ted, since you only hold cards at the one line one would think its the same odds as single line. I will have more on triple play trials I been working on tomorrow night when wife and I get home.
The odds are the same. But, since each initial deal is the equivalent of three deals, you wind up with more big hands per initial deal. But, not more than actual hands played.

[Tedlark]

Piggybacking onto onemoretry's post: that's the reason why some casinos do not offer TDB in the higher line/higher denomination machines.